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Propaganda of the Deed

Propaganda by the Deed

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When people are healthy, they can work. This is profitable for companies. When someone is sick, they can't work. This is not profitable for companies. So it's better to kill the ill. Just like in Auschwitz. Right, insurance companies? Right, Musk? Right, Trump? Right, most Americans who voted in favor of this system and empowering mega corps at the cost of most people by voting for Trump?
- Fun fact: did you know Kamala's campaign spent $1.5 billion in just 15 weeks compared to Trump's campaign spending only $382 million?
  I think people voted for Trump more for his promise to fix the economy and to deport the illegals. I guess we'll find out over the next 4 years, if we don't end up destroying the planet in that time. It's also worth noting that even Kamala wasn't planning to get rid of privatised healthcare.
  
  That's because the majority of the democrats are also really right. As soon as a more left oriented candidate steps up, like Bernie Sanders, they're called a communist and people run to right oriented big corporate pawns instead.
  The end candidates of the 2 parties (which is a dumb system itself) are a product of what the entire party chose to represent them. Maybe the situation this time is a bit different, with Biden stepping down and formally pushing Kamala forward, but Biden is also a product of the democrats. He was chosen to represent them. Biden is also right wing. Mildly compared to Trump, but strongly compared to what the rest of the world considers to be left. The entire states shifted further to the right. And never was left in the first place. I mean, slavery is still legal. Wtf.
  The US is shifting further and further towards an autocratic state. Everyone claims it's the land of the free, chooses for leaders who will take away their freedom and then complain they aren't free anymore. Yeah, well, you get what you paid for. It's just fucked up the decisions these people made will fuck up a lot of people their lives. "I want all those other people to suffer, but I didn't think it would also harm me."

I fail to see a definition of murderer that includes this CEO and doesn't include literally everybody. I mean how many future people do we all murder when we drive our cars or even order a package delivered. Unless you're just sitting in a corner eating rice and beans and washing it down with water, you've probably contributed to someone's death by now.
The real murderer is the capitalist US health care system, and that's still very much alive and well. This CEO's death is negligible compared to the problem, instead it's just a second problem.
It's the same mistake that all of society has made for about 5000 years now. Punishing individuals for preventable deaths that are caused by bad systems at best causes suffering for a steep cost and virtually no actual benefit while providing an opiate that keeps us from confronting the actual problem, and at worst actually contributes to those preventable deaths.
- The CEO was basically a captain of the capitalists us healthcare system. If he wasn't responsible for the misery caused by his command of his part of that system, then who is?
  
  The lawmakers that created the system? The voters that demanded it?
- I fail to see a definition of murderer that includes this CEO and doesn’t include literally everybody.
  The difference is that Brian Thompson was a willing participant and policy maker of an organization that had twice the industry standard of insurance denials (and therefore deaths). He was willingly participating and aiding in those killings, even if indirect.
  Even something as simple as rice and beans can indirectly lead to the death of somebody, but the difference is that buying a bag of rice at the grocery store is something you are unwilling to do because you are forced to eat as a part of your physiology. By buying a bag of rice, you aren't enforcing a policy of deforestation or slave labor. Your only other option is to commit suicide to never burden anyone else for any resource ever again, but that very clearly isn't a morally correct option either.
  So yeah, it's pretty easy to have a definition that includes the CEO but not everyone else, an intentional and willing killing of another person.
  This CEO’s death is negligible compared to the problem, instead it’s just a second problem.
  His killing has overnight launched a nationwide discussion about how bullshit the current system is. There is immense value in that. It ain't a problem.
  Punishing individuals for preventable deaths that are caused by bad systems
  This was an individual who helped make the system. Brian Thompson was directly responsible for it's creation.
  while providing an opiate that keeps us from confronting the actual problem
  This is backwards. Between the action itself and the national discussion, both the action and result directly confront the actual problem of oligarchs wielding unchecked power. They don't listen to begging for scraps.
  
  This was an individual who helped make the system. Brian Thompson was directly responsible for it’s creation. Bro he's been CEO since 2021... You really think he created the entire system?
  His killing has overnight launched a nationwide discussion about how bullshit the current system is. There is immense value in that. It ain’t a problem. Are there other ways to spark a discussion that don't involve murder? Better options that have an overall more beneficial outcome for everyone with less chaos and death? I think so.
  If the public really wanted change they could've demanded it long ago. This is a democracy (even if FPTP is shitty). Why would you not vote for the party that wants to make healthcare more humane and instead vote the party and guy for president who's a public oligarch and thinks of the working class as beneath him.
  Ethically the things Brian Thompson did were bad sure. But if he granted every healthcare request would the investors replace him? Most likely yes.
  I believe you also cross a line when you argue that self-justice is right. Are rich people just gonna get murdered now since they're rich? Like bc the capitalistic system favours people that already have wealth? Where is the line. Can I now murder anyone I think is a bad person? I don't think this behaivor should be supported.
  You don't even know the guy... you see him as a demonised person and now his family and friends have lost him for no real change to have taken effect. I just hope this discussion won't just simmer down and the public will ignore the issue again.
  Edit: Originally it said:
  I just hope this discussion just simmer down and the public will ignore the issue again.
  Which is definitely what I wanted to say

Fuck Matt Walsh.
Ok, carry on.
- did you mean crowder?

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