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Please don't engage with trolls like this. They're trying to divide the left.

We still litigating this?

The dems ran a deeply unpopular candidate on status quo in an election about how the status quo was hurting non-rich Americans. They shoved leftists out of the way in favor of more moderate and conservative leaning people trying to reach out to those that were already not going to vote for them.

I did vote, and I voted for Kamala; that vote wasn't an excited vote, but one in the hopes that she could win and we could inch another 4 years to a hopefully better candidate set. The amount of emails sent to both Biden and Kamala, and the amount of shitty responses about how its totally OK was deeply disheartening, but I still voted, even though it felt like nothing would change.

Those that didn't vote due to Gaza, which if memory serves was a small block, specifically stated they just wanted to be recognized. The campaign instead tried to go on Joe Rogan and "toured" with a Cheney.

There's not some crazy reason people stayed home. They stayed home because either choice felt like doom, and probably felt they didn't want to participate in either.

That's all without even getting into the amount of actual voter suppression in general.

But yea, blame those voters.

We still litigating this?
Others might. I am not. I would like to know if people are still identifying as #Undecided, and if it is still a movement. If yes, what's the plan to influence Trump's policies on Palestine? If no, is it because they met their goals and thus came to a natural end, or is it because they feel they were played? And if that's the case, where does that leave the leaders and influencers of the #Undecided movement within the larger Free Palestine movement?
If I came across as brusque, it is because I am frustrated. As shitty as Biden was (I'd like to see him clapped in irons and sent to the Hague, along with Netanyahu and his cronies), how can it be seriously mooted that the administration sending bombs and insisting on a two-state solution is somehow equivalent to the present administration who is sending bombs AND has stated it wants to "clear out" Gaza AND wants American companies to build resorts on Palestinian soil AND wants to send American troops to occupy Palestine AND moved the US Embassy to Jerusalem AND so on?
They stayed home because either choice felt like doom, and probably felt they didn't want to participate in either.
This is the false equivalency trap they were led into.
Neither side was supporting their cause, but one side was supporting Israel while trying to push for getting aid into the country, and the other side literally said Israel wasn't killing Palestinians fast enough. You have to be a special kind of dumb to think those two things are the same.
If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice. By not voting, they contributed to the win of the candidate who thinks Palestine shouldn't exist.
Yes, I absolutely hold those people accountable, for this and every other action he takes. Sitting on the sidelines is immoral. Not participating because they couldn't get exactly the outcome they wanted isn't ethically defensible. The system is the way it is until we who are working to change it succeed (which may be never), and until then you pick the lesser of two evils, because not voting isn't going to prevent the election.
Maybe they argue that by not voting they "sent a message." Ok, maybe they did. As a consequence, the cost of their message is likely to be the extinction of Palestine.
Many of us tried to "send a message" in 2000, and it changed nothing; those of us who voted for a third party in protest are directly culpable for the war in Iraq and the continued expansion of the Republican agenda in courts and state legislature through two terms.
The protest voters, and protest non-voters, in 2024 participated in what's to come.
The most infuriating thing about this is that it seems nobody learned anything from WWII. This is like Ghandi preaching passive resistance to German Jews; I have no respect for these people who refused to take a side knowing full well that one candidate was a worse outcome for Palestine.
they just wanted to be recognized
Well they got their wish. They are certainly recognized now.
- What a takeaway lol.
  Dude, I'm also super angry, but blaming people for wanting to be seen isn't going to help. If anything, its just going to setup for further divisions, which is what this administration wants.

Do you imagine this wouldn't have happened if the election had gone the other way? Yeah they've gone mask off, so it's harder now to pretend it isn't happening, but the results for people in Gaza are pretty much the same, since this was already Israel's plan for decades and the US government continued to supply them with the weapons to carry it out. The only real difference is the republicans language saying it out loud and making it harder to ignore.

If we buy into the idea that the situation in Palestine would be exactly the same, that means not voting for Harris because of Palestine was choosing all of the other horrible shit Trump is doing for zero benefit to Palestine.
Really showed them Dems!
- Sure, I didn't make any comment about the internal situation in America, I'm not American. I do think it's valid to have voted for the democrats for those reasons though, absolutely. But like, even now the democrats are enthusiastically cooperating with the current republican agenda and not really bothering to do anything against it, so I don't think they care that much either way, even if they wouldn't have advanced it as fast.
  I also think that you have to speak to people's concerns to win elections and they clearly did not do a good job of that. Of course you can to some extent blame voters for being uninformed, but they are not the ones with a billions dollars marketing budget to communicate what they will actually do to improve things, so I don't think you can blame them the most.

But this was expected right? Is there anyone who genuinely thought this wouldn't happen? I thought all the people calling out "Genocide Joe" were right-wing alts breaking up the left.

Sadly some of them were just single issue idiots with half a braincell