4d ago

Families fighting to keep loved ones out of extremist groups struggle to find intervention programs

www.abc.net.au Emily recognised her son on TV. He was standing with a group of Neo-Nazis

These families never imagined their loved ones would be drawn to Neo-Nazi groups. Now they're fighting to get them back and begging the government to help.

These families never imagined their loved ones would be drawn to Neo-Nazi groups. Now they're fighting to get them back and begging the government to help.

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It would really suck to see your kid get caught up in this.
- I have two teenage boys. It is a worry.
  I know that older men have been targettimg boys for over a decade now, seducing them with edgy memes, porn or whatever then exploiting their social awkwardness with appeals to misogyny and twisted versions of gender roles which is a pipeline to other bigotry and the whole alt-right movement. Radicalised young men are the emerging threat now as boomer power dies out.
  You hear of little kids talking about their favourite social influencing sex trafficker rapists like it's socially acceptable now. I worry that the social progress women have made is going to go backwards, perhaps a lot, and I have a daughter as well.
  Despite being very competent gamers and consuming plenty of online media my boys seem to have escaped with their critical thinking intact so far. I don't hover over them. They could be into stuff of course and I wouldn't know. We have walked into this with our eyes closed.
  
  Yeah so I have a son and daughter who are too young to encounter this stuff but I'm definitely concerned about it. I don't have any experience at all in navigating this type of dynamic.
  I suspect that in the coming years I'm going to realise just how difficult it is to maintain a relationship with your kids where you have some level of influence while simultaneously earning some level of respect, camaraderie, kinship, and ultimately have them share things with you. It kinda sounds impossible honestly.
  I know that the fitness angle is also a recruitment tool used by these organisations. You know, come to the gym, learn to work out, learn kickboxing or whatever, acquire role models, be influenced.
  I guess one strategy is to encourage relationships with better role models so they have a point of reference when they encounter someone with ulterior motives and differing views.
  
  Opens Lemmy.
  You hear of little kids talking about their favourite social influencing sex trafficker rapists like it's socially acceptable now.
  Closes Lemmy.
- Not my kids, but my wife is American and I lived there for 10 years before moving our family back here in 2015. I thought all my in-laws were decent people, but found out that they all voted for trump last November, and I have to say it's got me feeling very conflicted. I doubt I'd be able to maintain a relationship with any of them if I were still there, knowing what they chose to support.
  
  I have relatives living in the US who are Trump supporters.
  I would struggle to talk to them about anything even unpolitical now.

Look I know this is incredibly petty of me but the grouping on those targets there's a photo of is dogshit.
Anyway folks remember, a judge found that Mr Sewell was "of good character" and had a history of helping young men. Just if you're confused as to how this shit is allowed to happen.
There's one fucking thing you do to Nazis, it's self defense.
- Violence begets more violence. We need conversations to bring people out of this mindset.
  
  Intervention for people falling down into the propaganda? Sure. Once you declare yourself the enemy of almost the entire human species idk how much tolerance you deserve.
  You don't accidentally decide that killing everyone who isn't a straight white cis man or a subserviant straight white cis woman is a good and worthy goal.
  Like I don't care how lonely you are, that's fucked. Join a stitch and bitch don't plan a race war.
- It's self-defense, and it's community defense.
  grouping
  I didn't look the first time I read this, but wow that's bad. I shot better with an automatic SMG the first time I held a gun in my life.
  
  It's centrefire so probably at least 180 meters out, but the lack of consistency is hilarious considering it's almost certainly supported with a front rest and using telescopic sites
  Nobody is good at something without practice, but they're displaying that because they think it makes them look like tacticool threatening shooters. Which would be cringey even if the precision was actually impressive.
  It's aggravating they're such a danger because they're all such pathetic losers. They want to be completely odious people and they're not even good at it. It's almost offensively pathetic.
- The judge is too ignorant to recognise that "helping young men" is actually grooming young men who are too lost or wrong headed to realise they are being exploited by a moronic loser.

Saw this was the topic for 4 corners tonight...

If you want to understand this issue at a deeper level, I recommend you watch some of Tom Tanuki's videos on the topic. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9-INUscTJg

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