‘The Homegrowns Are Next’: Trump Promises to Send American Citizens to El Salvador in Harrowing Comments to Bukele
‘The Homegrowns Are Next’: Trump Promises to Send American Citizens to El Salvador in Harrowing Comments to Bukele
This is exactly why the 2nd amendment exists.
Those of you who have served in the military and swore an oath to protect us from domestic enemies, please seriously consider honoring your oath before the rest of us have to do it for you.
when ice is coming to get me, no amount of weaponry will save me, all I'll do is take some nazis with me.
I want to be very clear here. If they take you, at A MINIMUM, they will beat you, torture you, SA you, and deny you civil rights and human rights. At worst, you die. You want all these slack jawed jackasses that won't raise holy hell about the government already doing this to immigrants, you're dead anyway. ''ICE kills US citizen'' is a much stronger headline than ''Trump says he will do this to citizens'' additionally when the ICE agents have to deal with the fact that ''just following orders'' includes a high chance of death, they might question the orders.
This is important to remember
Take down the Nazis with you because you have no choice or hope. You can't reason with them
They will deface you and disappear you. They will say you work for MS-13, that you're a child pedophile, they will craft and manufacture evidence and they will disappear you to the concentration camps. They've already done this, they're just going to continue
They cover their faces and ID anyway, they should be blasted any place with stand your ground.
It won't hold up
Fascists have full support of the government to send everyone to concentration camps with no due process
Stand your ground isn't going to do shit. And every conservative will suck the government dick
The government will make shit up like that have. That will say you worked for MS13 like that have been
Or say you are a pedophile. Nobody will defend you even liberals. And then it is your word against their and truth doesn't matter. They'll proceed anyway and kill you
As others have said, if they take you to a second location, you could either die or end up in a gulag in another country, which is probably as good as being dead.
May as well fight to the death. Make them pay for it. If you don't you could end up wishing you had another opportunity to.
Exactly this. The fear of torture to death would make me fight back when they bust in. This reminds me to start carrying and leaving easy access to the shotgun at home
Honestly, not true? ICE is a bunch of fatass fascist sympathizers that get their rocks off abusing their authority. If they try to kidnap you, they are not going to expect you to be armed and dangerous. They are not going to be prepared for you to fight back.
You'll have to flee immediately after, because they'll send more agents when the first turn up dead, but it at least gives you a chance.
And some job satisfaction.
They are not going to be prepared for you to fight back.
I would be willing to bet that a significant portion of them spend their workdays at half-mast just hoping for someone to resist with a weapon so they can execute them. They may be more prepared than you think.
Melt the ICE
Everyone should strive for 2 so we make progress
Absolutely true. They will also make shit up and deface your name anyways.
Even if you were found innocent and released, the entire world would believe the US government and the US government would call you MS-13 or pedophile
They wouldn't correct that mistake. And you would be hard to even find a job, plus you would probably have cultists coming to kill you
That is if they'd still don't just send you to the concentration camps and have you murdered like they have done so far
Group up with others of the same opinion and go hang at some brown people's houses. Don't wait. Force the issue.
We need a black panther revival asap
You need the people to come together. However that happens for you. Go eat with some folks you don't know from minority communities. The internet tells me Americans eat out a lot. Go to ethnic restaurants. Meet their families. Offer to help them buy guns to defend themselves. Defend them yourself openly and without shame. Put your own comfort in jeopardy for someone you don't know.
oh no, those extremists who protected from the police violence, and feed the hungry. how scary.
edit: sorry, I swype typed and I somehow ended writing the opposite I meant.
I meant protecting from police violence.
Wow, nothing like a shove forward as you step back right? I got news for you buddy, this isn't the kind of thing just a few people can fix. The country actually elected him. We need to build a movement to fight this, to prevent the country from just electing the next one.
I bet when "ice" agents start meeting resistance in the form of 9mm and .45 it will make some changes.
Yes, Republicans will start personaly hunting down anyone darker than snow.
I'm white but I hate their ideologies, their hatred for non white, immigrants, healthcare, basic decency. Fuck them. I wouldn't be surprised if I were targeted eventually
Wasn't the Electoral College also supposed to serve that purpose?
Not at all, it was a compromise between counting slaves as 'population' and not people, so the south wasn't totally devoid of population numbers big enough to matter. Considering Jefferson and Washington were proud southern slave owners and set the standards for the country legally and traditionally, it's hardly a surprise this is still being done when the whole point was treating people like cattle and also giving their humanity to their masters as political power.
You're thinking of the 3/5ths compromise, which is a separate though related thing to the Electoral College.
The EC tended to favor non-plantation slavery states (only Maine and Massachusetts had zero slaves at the time, though several others were close to zero). Virginia was by far the biggest state by population, and it had tons of slaves. Without counting its slave population, it would still have been the largest. The Electoral College, at least at the time, favored small, relatively slave-free states like Rhode Island and Vermont. The 3/5ths compromise does give some extra power to the larger slave states in the EC by way of added population, but not proportionate to what small states get out of it.
Federalist 68 gives the official reasoning behind the EC:
Nothing was more to be desired than that every practicable obstacle should be opposed to cabal, intrigue, and corruption. These most deadly adversaries of republican government might naturally have been expected to make their approaches from more than one querter, but chiefly from the desire in foreign powers to gain an improper ascendant in our councils. How could they better gratify this, than by raising a creature of their own to the chief magistracy of the Union? But the convention have guarded against all danger of this sort, with the most provident and judicious attention. They have not made the appointment of the President to depend on any preexisting bodies of men, who might be tampered with beforehand to prostitute their votes; but they have referred it in the first instance to an immediate act of the people of America, to be exerted in the choice of persons for the temporary and sole purpose of making the appointment. And they have excluded from eligibility to this trust, all those who from situation might be suspected of too great devotion to the President in office. No senator, representative, or other person holding a place of trust or profit under the United States, can be of the numbers of the electors. Thus without corrupting the body of the people, the immediate agents in the election will at least enter upon the task free from any sinister bias. Their transient existence, and their detached situation, already taken notice of, afford a satisfactory prospect of their continuing so, to the conclusion of it. The business of corruption, when it is to embrace so considerable a number of men, requires time as well as means. Nor would it be found easy suddenly to embark them, dispersed as they would be over thirteen States, in any combinations founded upon motives, which though they could not properly be denominated corrupt, might yet be of a nature to mislead them from their duty.
Another and no less important desideratum was, that the Executive should be independent for his continuance in office on all but the people themselves. He might otherwise be tempted to sacrifice his duty to his complaisance for those whose favor was necessary to the duration of his official consequence. This advantage will also be secured, by making his re-election to depend on a special body of representatives, deputed by the society for the single purpose of making the important choice.
In other words, the EC existed precisely to stop someone like Donald Trump from taking office. Or more accurately, stopping a populist, corrupt nitwit was the reason it was justified to the American people at the time. Back then, they were trying to head off criticism of democracy from supporters of constitutional monarchy. That is, democracy would be vulnerable to takeover by a populist, corrupt nitwit.
Obviously, it has failed at its one job. That doesn't mean democracy itself is vulnerable. On the contrary, the EC is a specifically anti-democratic concept that has been abused by exactly the sort of populist, corrupt nitwit it was supposed to guard against.
I would never ask someone else to risk their lives for me. I think we all need to figure out where our red line is - for me it would be a successful attempt to keep serving in a third term, or actually successfully deporting/imprisoning US citizens without due process. Merely trying or talking about it isn't enough because if the constitutional process stops him, that means it's still working.
non American here. the red line was January 6th. Don't wait to see if more boxes are checked, every autocracy in history relied on people planning to resist when things 'really' got worse. By then it's always too late. They're planning accordingly.
Trump has learned that people will allow him to keep crossing over their "red line" and will draw an new red line. He's been doing it for years. Now Americans are saying he can throw out the Constitution, so long as they aren't yet personally impacted, but they will react at some future point when he gets even worse, maybe.
Maybe, just maybe, we should stop the known arsonist - who has declared they are going to burn all our houses down and is now gleefully walking to our neighborhood with a can of gasoline and a blow torch - before they get to the first house
Seems obvious when you think about it.
Why doesn't the successful deportation of Kilmar Abrego Garcia without due process rise to this level for you? It's true he wasn't a US citizen, but he did have a protected status that let him live and work legally in the US. And given that he was deported without due process, but simply by "administrative error," there was no point at which he was given the opportunity to bring up his legal status. That is, the thing that would be different if they tried to do this to a citizen is that they would have successfully done it to a citizen. Presumably the courts would order them to bring the citizen back, but they've already done that with Abrego Garcia, and the administration isn't complying.
If that's your bright line, maybe check out the boot that's straddling it.
My main criteria is can we fix it.
If a Democrat wins in 2028, we can hypothetically fix immigration policy, tariffs, and all the rest with enough popular support. In fact now that the far right has shown themselves to be a clown show, maybe that phase of America's maturation may finally be ending. We might even bring Abrego Garcia himself back.
But if we deport citizens - who can vote and participate in democracy - that puts the thumb on the scale. It makes permanent fascism like in Russia more likely. And it's worth dying to avoid that permanent fate. But if it's temporary, it just doesn't rise to that level.
