3d ago

Canada’s conservative leader Pierre Poilievre loses his own seat in election collapse

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Canada’s conservative leader Pierre Poilievre loses his own seat in election collapse – POLITICO

The remarkable campaign was upended by a backlash against U.S. President Donald Trump, which sparked a stunning liberal resurgence.

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3d ago

Canada’s conservative leader Pierre Poilievre loses his own seat in election collapse

www.politico.eu /article/pierre-poilievre-mark-carney-canada-election-conservative-liberal/

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3d ago

Canada’s conservative leader Pierre Poilievre loses his own seat in election collapse

www.politico.eu /article/pierre-poilievre-mark-carney-canada-election-conservative-liberal/

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Oddly enough I wouldn't even call it a collapse.
Conservatives walked away with far more seats than they did in 2021.
Yes...it's a collapse from what they were projected to win before JT stepped down. But more than anything it's shown that it isn't necessarily the Cons that we have a problem with, it's the "Trump-Style" Conservatism that Poppinfresh tried to inject into the narrative. Rhetoric, slogans, hateful dogma, gaslighting the voters to think that everything is broken and that "they're" the only ones who can fix it, etc...
It's not a surprise that as soon as JT stepped down voters said "Oh thank god" because they could finally stop holding their nose and not have to vote for the one guy that they hated slightly less than Trudeau.
If Conservatives don't oust him as leader after it's plain as day that HE is the hated one, not them, then they're stupid.
- Help out this Yank-adjacent thing: Why was JT so incredibly unpopular?
  
  mainly immigration and housing, however, this is mostly conservative spin. they had a heavy hand in causing the whole crisis, by request to the federal government from con premiers (doug ford, pallister, etc) for immigrants specifically during covid. going so far as to fudge numbers of available and projected housing so they could get more money for immigrants from the fed, and use the immigrants to stagnate wages and drive up housing costs for their investment properties and builder buddies. then cons began spinning the fallout as a liberal ploy when people started getting angry about prices going up for everything.
  the federal government does not have the power to force immigrants into a specific province, they can coerce them through incentives. which all of these "anti immigration" premiers, gleefully accepted.
  he accomplished a lot during his decade. legalized pot, created a lot of jobs, pushed for equal rights, helped indigenous people through funding and infrastructure and social programs. its a long list. he mostly seemed to ignore the attacks from the cons and just kept his head down and focused on policy and political theater when he felt he had to.
  he had a few controversies, but its nothing the cons havent done before and got away with in the past. people have short memories however, and they love american social media, and regular media, so it was a matter of time before a lot of young heads turned to the right. thankfully trump made such an ass out of himself and pierre took too many notes from him. so thats the reason he lost mainly. we didnt want kmart trump in power. and so a lot of those heads turned to the left again.
  he was a good leader, for the most part. but no leader is without fault or controversy. i agree with his stances, but maybe not all of his methods. hes human.
  
  Thank you for the amazing explanation!
  
  He also ran on a promise of election reform, which be immediately reneged on basically as his first act after being elected.
  
  the answer to that is a bit boring and less two dimensional. it took about a year for that to happen, from 2016 to early 2017 if memory serves. if you want to know what really happened, he tried, made a commitee, they took polls, surveys, townhalls, all the answers were conflicting, there was no consensus on a single system. he also didnt want to force his own prefered system that was popular with liberals (ranked ballots) as it would have looked like he was trying to service liberals, where as the others leaned towards proportional representation, which would have lead to things like fringe groups (think freedom convoy, proud boys, anti vaxxers, pro lifers, western and eastern seperatists, etc etc) having more sway and power over policy. imagine maple MAGA and western seperatists having more say now during all this 51st state bullshit.......wouldnt be very fun to deal with.
  Trudeau made a clear promise, explored it seriously, but ultimately abandoned it due to a mix of political risk, lack of public agreement on the replacement system, and competing national priorities. trump being a twat, and all that other fun stuff. Critics said he bailed when it no longer suited him; defenders say he chose caution over forcing a divisive change. Both are kinda right.
  its a milktoast answer, but the truth usually is with canadian politics. occams razor and all that. i know pierre and the cons werent running on election reform either this time around. so at least he got that conversation going and began the study for a future government to reference down the line when it comes up again.
  i hope our system continues to evolve to better suit canadians down the line. and educate us properly so we can all make informed decisions on policy rather than red or blue tribalism like the US. thats not who we are. and we should continue to refuse that way of thinking. its beneath us.
  
  "You either die as the hero or you live long enough to become the villain" is honestly more true than anyone realises.
  Trudeau had been Prime Minister for a decade. At that length of time, general dissatisfaction and want of change becomes something that opponents can grab onto and start lobbying all kinds of blame at him for. Some warranted, some not.
  
  JT is one of the useless neoliberals like Macron or Biden who is more interested in maintaining the status quo and insisting that everything is working fine. Everyone and their mother can tell that our societies are on the verge of collapse and are ready for fundamental change. Most aren't too fussy about what that change actually is
  
  Yes thank goodness we have Mark Carney, he's definitely not interested in maintaining the status quo. I expect nothing less than radical leftist reform with a central banker at the helm.

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