Hilary isn't playing
Hilary isn't playing
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The Clinton campaign and Democratic National Committee called for using far-right candidates “as a cudgel to move the more established candidates further to the right.” Clinton’s camp insisted that Trump and other extremists should be “elevated” to “leaders of the pack” and media outlets should be told to “take them seriously.”
She may not be playing now, but I feel it's fair to point out that Hillary has played some stupid games - the American people reap the stupid prize.
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The Clinton campaign and Democratic National Committee called for using far-right candidates “as a cudgel to move the more established candidates further to the right.”
It's important to note that this also applied to Democratic candidates. With the Republicans moving 100 miles to the Right, Democrats didn't think anyone would notice them moving 20 miles to the Right. Clinton and the DNC are just as responsible for the Overton window shift as the Republicans are. If not more so. Had they embraced and supported people like Sanders, who would have absolutely demolished Trump, we wouldn't be in this fucking mess.
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Where did you get this information from?
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The original source is a verified, leaked email (dated April 23, 2015) from her 2016 campaign. The DNC plan was attached in the email and can be found here.
The specific quote is from Salon.
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I don't know about what they said, but it's pretty well known that the DNC encouraged Trump because he was viewed as unelectable. Clinton sucks
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ooo! a real zinger from an irrelevant loser? now THAT will solve some problems.
so sick of these stupid 'dunks' and social media circle jerks.
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She would know, she was bought by two dozen corporations
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Hillary was targeted by at least as much politically motivated investigations into her affairs as Trump got, and they all ended up going nowhere, whereas Trump got convicted of 37 felonies. But that doesn't seem to stop MAGAts rushing to post "crooked Hillary" and make suspiciously vaguely worded accusations every time the opportunity arises.
Notice how they never actually go into detail, because doing so would then require them to show evidence, so it's only ever "she was bought by the corporations" and "she knows all about corruption".
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I mean
yeah
But also
she was bought by two dozen corporations
so
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Say what you want, her coronation as D candidate in 2015 over a much more popular Bernie Sanders led to a weak turnout by disenchanted D voters and Trump's victory in 2016.
Whether she is a murderer/ felon or not, she can take her opinion and shove it
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How about this for evidence? Taken from M1ch431 elsewhere in this thread
The original source is a verified, leaked email (dated April 23, 2015) from her 2016 campaign. The DNC plan was attached in the email and can be found here. The specific quote is from Salon.
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Looks at the Clinton foundation and the UAE
looks back at post
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.ml never fail to take a criticism against Trump and whatabbout it towards a democrat
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It's been 9 years and centrists still can't accept that no one likes HRC.
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Corruption is fucking corruption.
Calling whataboutism and not cleaning your own house is precisely what leads to loss of trust and directly led to the first term of Trump. EDIT: Along with explicitly and blatantly breaking their own rules to give the primary to Hillary (This isn't conjecture or theory. They've explicitly admitted this in court and justified it by saying they aren't a public entity but a private organization and can cheat if they want. Funny how they're a public institution when they get free federal funds, but private when applying their own rules)
Democrats being feckless cowards and refusing to prosecute Trump for emoluments violations during the first term, and then failing to prosecute Trump for fucking insurrection on day one of Bidens Administration is what led to Trump term 2.
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"Yeah well what about your party's corruption" is actually a valid point for which you have fuck all as a defense
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Wasn’t that proved to be outside of tenure?
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So you think that having a slew of money coming to you while you are out of power right before an election you are expected to win means that that isn't explicit corruption?
I have this really nice building for sale in New York that I have to sell for a really steep discount. Send me the money and we can meet up and I'll sign it over to you. My loss is your gain.
Seriously, this is the stupidest attempt to justify corruption I've ever seen.
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If only Qatar had delivered the plane to Trump on Jan 5th, 2025 there would have been no conflict of interest.
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Quick! She NEEDS to Run for President! There's NO WAY it Can Fail!
-The DNC Probably!
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Nah, she's way too young, and not a man.
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Hillary is just jealous she has to hide and do it slowly for years whereas Trump doesn't give a single fuck and do it the obnoxious way for 2 times more money.
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Hillary was targeted by at least as much politically motivated investigations into her affairs as Trump got, and they all ended up going nowhere, whereas Trump got convicted of 37 felonies. But that doesn't seem to stop MAGAts rushing to post "crooked Hillary" and make suspiciously vaguely worded accusations every time the opportunity arises.
Notice how they never actually go into detail, because doing so would then require them to show evidence, so it's only ever "she was bought by the corporations" and "she knows all about corruption".
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Hillary Clinton needs to sit this one out holy shit. I remember her getting paid by bankers to make "speeches" when she was running for president.
I hate trump for all of his corruption. But holy shit she's no better
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No, she's a lot better, but the bar Trump has set is that low.
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I can't remember who said it, but:
"Hillary Clinton represents everything wrong with American politics. Donald Trump represents everything wrong with America."
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She's only better if you're a fan of open air child sex slave markets
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The dog shit one might have to scrap of the bottom of one's shoe is a lot better than Trump.
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Bro do you think any other person giving the exact same speech as Hillary would be paid that kinda money? The banks aren't paying her for her oratory chops. It's influence purchasing. Be serious.
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No, getting paid by bankers is ABSOLUTELY a problem. Or did you forget what the bankers leading up to 2008 after they got beneficial legislation passed that let them fuck up the markets?
Bankers buy politicians to let them fuck up the economy and drain more money from everyone else they can.
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I was sooo mad Debbie fucked over bernie when she ran the DNC. Honestly that might of been the beginning of the decline for them. Let's hope they listen to voters.
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When she refused to release the text of those speeches it made some people go,"Hmmmm."
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The Bernie thing was bad as well as possibly the only fully fact checked story . But here we have people deciding between propaganda shitposts and a bigot sending people to literal death camps as what is worse. The people who eat the shitposts as fact and spread it around are officially worse than both candidates. They are just Russian bots.
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Trump is bad. It’s not comparable.
Additionally 90 % of the shit spread about Hillary was from trump himself. And as you can see: he lies.
A lot.
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She's the wrong messenger. For most situations.
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Yeah, that so quaint! 25M. LOL. Trump's net worth has increased by 4 BILLION since he took office THIS TIME. Fucking 25M over 10 years... "Those are rookie numbers!" No, not rookie numbers, flat out hardly a drop in the bucket. Sooo quaint. I'm sure her corruption is exactly the same as Trump's! (Can you really type that without busting out laughing?)
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.ml never fail to take a criticism against Trump and whatabbout it towards a democrat
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As sure as the turn of the worlds.
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All these pushes to keep Hillary relevant is so tone deaf. Waiting for the day some doofus tries to tell me why we can't find better representation from the 350,000,000 people in the united states.
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I don’t see her running for 2028.. where are you even seeing this?
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Sorry, did I say that?
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Who's pushing her? She posted on Bluesky and it's being shared. There's no conspiracy here.
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Why aren't they sharing my post from bluesky?
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So we can’t just appreciate the meaning of the words because she’s someone you don’t like? She didn’t end her post with “and that’s why you should vote for me in 2028”, she’s simply stating a fact.
Tell me you didn’t vote for Kamala because she was a woman without telling me you didn’t vote for Kamala because she was a woman harder.
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More because she is deeply corrupt and her accusing Trump of corruption, while true, is not aimed at reducing corruption. It is done to distract from her corruption.
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Never gonna "appreciate" genocidal imperialists.
And no, gender doesn't make it ok.
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350,000,000 people in the US, all saying things that can be appreciated.
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Ba'al criticizing Satan.
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Oh no, better stop being nakedly corrupt Trump or you might get sLaMmEd again
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She and her husbandThe Clinton foundation recieved hundrends of millions from those same gulf countries much more than $400m accounting for inflation
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Stats for this thread:
Comments about Hillary Clinton: 150
Comments about the president of the US receiving a bribe: 3
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Comments about the president of the US receiving a bribe: 3
My brother in Christ, there are a thousand other threads about Trump being corrupt full of people lamenting Trump being corrupt.
But this post is like hearing Al Capone chastise Pablo Escobar over organized crime.
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What is your point? Lemmy is full of Trump criticism. It's the norm. One thread shitting on Hillary won't change that.
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cause the post is ab her. I don't think we should be propping up a CLINTON as opposition to trump
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It's her turn
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shut the fuck up Hillary you're the reason he's where he is
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Out of everybody out there, Hillary "I got a half a million dollars from Goldman Sachs for spending a few hours giving a speech to some traders" Clinton is maybe not the best person to talk about this.
Then again, she does have the benefit of hands on experience on this.
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Where did you get that information from?
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I read it in, if I'm not mistaken The Guardian, way back when she was starting her campaign for President.
Others are quoting a broader pattern of receiving money for speeches from her, so those are probably more well informed than my vague recollection.
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Now do the same for political donations and PACs
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Any of her “definitely worth it” speeches, too.
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I agree, but what a hypocritical cow. Fuck off Rod Ham.
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Rod Ham.
😭🙏
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And somehow all the insults about Hillary have to do with her gender.
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Yes. You're right, Hillary. Now, go away.
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She needs to go get her own bribes
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I'd leave Hillary alone. She's a relic from a different era. Not really relevant these days.
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Nothing wrong with speaking from experience.
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I would really appreciate this twisted timeline we're in featuring the Clintons openly acknowledging that they know how corruption works from experience as a way to derail the current corruption train that we're all tied down in front of. The writers need to demonstrate that they haven't completely lost the plot or I'm cancelling my subscription
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She also received money (@ least a million) from Qatar while in office.
She failed to report it, admitted it after being called out. It was part of the ridiculous show that won him the election.
She's the worst person to open her mouth about this, as she's directly guilty and tried to hide it.
Not 400 million, but a direct comparison with Qatar can be made.
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What trump is doing is wrong also.
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Where did I say it was right? I am just calling out the hypocrisy.
Clinton's charity confirms Qatar's $1 million gift while she was at State Department
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I would think that Hillary having some experience in accepting bribes, would know...
So idk why everyone is doing the pot/kettle thing (with various wordings). She's speaking from experience.
Corruption is probably one thing that Hillary knows about, and she's calling it out. Doesn't mean she's any less guilty of being bribed, not does it mean that this isn't a bribe for Trump, nor does that mean we should be unhappy at Trump and not unhappy at her for them both doing it.
My point here is, why not both?
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Fuck off Hillary. Nobody asked you. You fumbled 2016 and gave us this asshole in the first place, and you should have the decency to hide in shame the rest of your miserable life.
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She can express it, but she needs to be prepared to be reminded that she was uniquely able to lose to trump in 2016, and her stealing the nomination from Sanders is one major contribution to why we are here
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Not when it involves the person ruining this country that she put in charge. She can fuck right off.
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And we're expressing our opinions.
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She didn't fumble anything. They wouldn't allow Bernie to run is all it came down to and Hillary is one of the most corrupt out there. Perfect for office
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The Clinton campaign in 2008 boosted the birther conspiracy shit that trump rode to power.
Her 2016 campaign boosted the man himself because she thought he would be easier to beat than Jeb Bush.
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only a woman could receive the most votes and nearly a decade later have a 14 year old boy on lemmy be all "yo dawg she totally fumbled that shit she needs to hide in shame"
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She didn’t give you this asshole. You voted for him. That’s how voting works.
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For the record, I did vote for her in the actual election, but that is an extremely oversimplified analysis of how Trump got elected.
Yeah, more people in the right states voted for him. But her and the DNC fucking with the primaries, offering zero conciliation to progressives and arrogantly assuming Trump didn't stand a chance play a huge factor. For the vaunted "most qualified candidate ever" this was her race to lose, and blaming it on sexism is just a thought terminating cliche at this point.
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Americans would literally blame anyone but themselves for their stupid ass mistakes.
That's american exceptionalism. Everyone except me.
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Hillary was targeted by at least as much politically motivated investigations into her affairs as Trump got, and they all ended up going nowhere, whereas Trump got convicted of 37 felonies. But that doesn't seem to stop MAGAts rushing to post "crooked Hillary" and make suspiciously vaguely worded accusations every time the opportunity arises.
Notice how they never actually go into detail, because doing so would then require them to show evidence, so it's only ever "she was bought by the corporations" and "she knows all about corruption".
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I don't want to see this horrible fucking idiot's take on anything.
Also fuck Donald Trump
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Thanks Hildawg, would have never thought of that otherwise... /s
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IM JUST CHILLING
ON BLUE SKY SOCIAL
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Now hold on there pal, she isn't playing around alright. She's a real go getter badass.
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That is a $400 million money pit, not a jet
They're searching for an idiot to accept and pay for its maintenance fees
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Found one too, lol.
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She and Bill would definitely know this but then also lacking the self awareness to call it out, that is the surprising part.
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If you're a Qatari prince, $400m is trivial. If anyone would give a genuinely free jet, they would.
That being said, this one is not a gift. It's manipulation. Stroke Trump's ego and pretend you like him and he'll do whatever you want, as long as you make him think it's his idea.
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He's already excluded gas and oil from his stupid tariffs. And his family's heavily invested in SA. So, yes.
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Qatar
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Its why he us such a bitch about it too. All angsty on his fancy bbs. This is a thing that should never die. Like a rash that wont go away. President 747
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One could say that they gifted him a bribe.
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Qatar is not Saudi Arabia. Way to drive the point that you can't tell Arabs apart. Also Qatar is merely paying tributes and concessions, also bailing out Boeing.
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Yeah, that was my bad. I'll edit it.
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This remains all her fault.
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Hillary is a murderer.
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Hillary is haunting... In general...
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Be serious, guys.
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Be serious, guys.
I know she is right, but still I can't help but think of this face while reading it.
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Now if it was just a ride on a jet, that's totally fine. Absolutely nothing suspicious could happen on a jet you just hitched a ride on.
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Go back in your hole Clinton, last thing people need is Clintons
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Well, technically it could be reimbursement for something.
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Maybe a dare
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Why hasn't she simply had Trump murdered like all of the other people shes had murdered?
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She can only do that using Hunter Biden's laptop.
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Do people seriously believe this propaganda ? It’s just so shitpost quality
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Oh look the bitch that helped get the Donvict elected the first time with her little smug shoulder shuffles, mocking laughs, and lack of campaigning in the states that made the difference like Michigan ... Can her and Pelosi fuck right off? Aren't they "retired"?
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You know, I thought this expensive plane was not a big deal, but she's made me reconsider. /s
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Context?
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Qatar gifted Trump a jet.
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To be used as Air Force One.
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Not only does no one give someone a $400 million dollar jet for free without expecting anything in return, they also don't give it away for free unless they know they are dealing who they know will give something at least comparable back in return. You can tell who Trump doesn't grift by things like this.
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They do if they don’t expect it to land safely.
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But they can just write it off their taxes!!
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True but also let’s be serious about middle names
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Rodham is her maiden name.
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But it’s on the middle…..technically lol
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Online 'liberals' hate Hillary more than they hate trump.
Way to go guys, if you'd have gotten on board and simply voted for her, you probably would have gotten half the shit you wanted. Instead, we have a dictatorship now.
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Sanders supporters voted in greater numbers for Clinton in 2016 than Clinton supporters voted for Obama in 2008.
Clinton supporters were so unhappy in 2008 that they didn't get 100% of everything they wanted that they formed a PAC to support McCain.
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Fucking PUMA's.
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she's amazing <3 i often wonder how much better 2000-2025 would have been if america wasn't so misogynistic and racist.
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I literally gagged reading this. Fuck Clinton. Her pissweak version of "liberalism" is why we have Trump again.
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I agree with the second part of your statement.
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Yeah, the last bit there is just truth.
The first bit.... Not so sure that anyone should be admitting that in a public forum.
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$400 million is such a drop in what we have given to other countries. She's not wrong, but she's not right.
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Do you believe the USA has a net positive on the world?
Sure you give money in aid to many places, but how much of that destabilisation has been caused by them?
I’m of the view that America is the worst thing to happen to the world.
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Oh you're attributing things to my comment I didn't mean. The US government is out of control. Yes we give massive dollars all around, and the government expects quid pro quo. None of it is what the people want, it's what the government does. It's all corrupt. But so was Hillary.
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Im of the mind you need to study more history if that’s your belief. Please make sure they are reputable academic historians as opposed to people with an axe to grind.
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Wow. What a bunch of shit comments.
Has Lemmy really gone to shit this fast??
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There is no higher quality comment than to enter the comments section and generally declare the comments as shit. The cherry on top is to expand that generality to say all of lemmy has "gone to shit".
Seriously, I don't know what in particular you have an issue with, just that you think a bunch of comments are shit.
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Dude literally no one likes Hilary, no matter what party you vote for. She is so unlikable, even her own husband doesn't like her.
You do know this, right?
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You seem to be new here my friend. It happened a long time ago, especially during the US elections. Everything seems to be about trump, elon musk, capitalism, killing CEOs, and the like and it all started in a big way then. But there’s ways you can filter out most of it using your app if you’d like.
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Wow, guys. I don't know her from whatever the shit Fox said, so forgive me for discounting the speaker for something you personally witnessed. I'd ask what she did other than be the target of the Bernie backstabbing, but it feels like COVID and 2 Trumps ago.
So. She has a point.
Remember when we didn't kill the messenger because we remembered what Genghis did for that?
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Wait. You think Bernie backstabbed her? Lmao! Wut?
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Is this the shitlib tankies always accuse me of being?
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How about the UAE blatantly bribing her through the Clinton foundation.
She's not pissed about the plane. She's pissed it didn't go to her.
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As someone who lied about being shot at when she exited a jet in Belgrade, she should learn the word “retirement”.
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That aint even that offensive for a regime whore.
When DNC and she ran a train on bernie in 2016, that crossed the line for me. DNC is useless trash on anything pro pleb policy while she gets to shit post... under her own christian name, might I note.
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