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If the goal was to curb stomp, it would've been done last year. And there would be no "grain deal", there would be no flow of oil and gas to Europe, there would be no fertilizer supplies, nothing.
Ukraine and Ukrainians are not the enemy in this war. Sure the Banderite Nazis are, but they are a minority that have taken the rest of the country hostage. The real enemy that Russia is fighting here is NATO. The goal is to defeat their proxy army and deplete the collective West's military and economic resources without completely devastating Ukraine.
The West would like nothing better than for Russia to completely eradicate everything in Ukraine. On their tally every dead Ukrainian is just as much a victory for them as a dead Russian. They know that at the end of the day, when this conflict is over, Ukraine and Russia will still remain brotherly peoples, no amount of Banderite propaganda can change that reality of kinship and historical cultural closeness.
This is why Russia needs to keep a cool head and respond to provocations like this only with actions that advance the overall military and geopolitical goal. If the grain deal no longer benefits Russia, it will be cancelled, but by that point it will be clear that its failure will have been entirely to blame on the West and their puppet regime in Kiev being dishonest actors and not abiding by its provisions.
Same goes for whatever deals are still in place for oil and gas. Let the Europeans commit suicide by continuing to sanction themselves out of a supply of oil and gas, that way it will be clear to the entire world who is a reliable business partner and who is not.
The real enemy that Russia is fighting here is NATO
I understand that
On their tally every dead Ukrainian is just as much a victory for them as a dead Russian
This I also agree with
Ukraine and Russia will still remain brotherly peoples
This, however, I cannot agree with. The whole hohol/moskal junk didn't start in 2022, nor 2014, nor even 2004 and orange "revolution". Hell, looking around, I'm not even sure Russia and Russia are "brotherly peoples"
Let the Europeans commit suicide by continuing to sanction themselves out of a supply of oil and gas
They're still receiving it. Sure, the standards of living might take a hit, but will it be as large of a hit as we experienced after USSR collapse? Large enough to shake people to awaken? I doubt it. Some petit bourgeoisie might get rekt and join us proles on the bottom, but the fat cats up top don't seem affected much.
it will be clear to the entire world who is a reliable business partner and who is not.
It's been clear for ages to no avail. Likewise with exposing western lies and atrocities
Honest question re Ukraine and Russia continuing to be "brotherly peoples:" what is sentiment of average Chechens towards Russia these days? From the outside, it looks as if they have largely realized the collective West was using them, and as a result the anger they had towards Russia has turned into anger at the west. I wonder if, following either (1) a Russian victory, (2) collapse of the Ukrainian government, or (3) Ukrainian victory leading only to IMF-imposed austerity, the Ukrainians could similarly realize that they were used, and become friendlier to Russia.
About Ukraine, note the turn of events:
- 1991, all the shit that happened
- 2004, colour revolution putting the rabid russophobes and western puppets in power
- After few years, Ukrainians elect president that promised normalisation
- 2014, coup putting the rabid russophobes and western puppets in power
- After few years, ukrainians again elect president that promised normalisation
- 2024??? seems like 2023 or 2024 will bring another huge upheaval
So while i wouldn't say Ukrainians and Russians are brothers, not after century of chauvinist propaganda and now literal war, but they sure as hell don't want to be enemies and USA needs to coup them every decade to remind them of their place.