Yeah, why do that when you can let women who hate men define feminism as ‘women who hate men’ lol
Like seriously, are we just gonna pretend that the feminist movement doesn’t have a ton of loud, hateful bigots who often take way too long to be kicked out? Hell, even TERFs still get to call themselves ‘feminists’ somehow.
Leave it to Lemmy's 77% male userbase to discredit the entire feminism movement because some self-proclaimed 'feminists' are misandrists and TERFs in sheep's clothing.
Women are always held responsible for other people's behaviors. Holding the vast majority of normal feminists who just want to be treated like people accountable for the actions of a crazy minority of men-hating folks is just another example of this.
lol I love how you’re using ‘TERFs’ as a scapegoat while ignoring that TERFs are, quite literally, Trans-exclusionary Radical Feminists. They’re not ‘masquerading’ as anything, they are feminists and have always been. They’re also mostly women, which means these specific women are being held accountable for their own behavior. To claim otherwise is to infantilize these women and take their agency away from them.
Lemmy and its ‘77% male userbase’ can hardly be blamed for the real and enduring shortcomings in the feminist movement itself. It’s not a problem that should simply be ignored or handwaved away if feminists want to get rid of the stigma their movement carries.
Terfs are not feminists and do not define feminism
Yeah, it's honestly exhausting that, whenever I hear someone talk about feminism, I need to take a minute to deduce whether they're a fellow Human Rights Enthusiast or if they're just a pink fascist.
lol you just need to let ‘em talk and maybe mention trans rights or men. Eventually, their bigotry will spill out because they can’t really control their own hatred.
Lol worst kind of equality :)
Yeah that's the thing about humans. They tend to create ingroups and outgroups.
3rd wave kinda.. did that on their own. Barely a few years ago there were 'feminists' shutting down MRA sessions by pulling fire alarms where it was literally a bunch of dudes talking about their problems. It's still relatively recent memory that people who called themselves feminists were some of the most unhinged human beings we had to deal with.
Yes, you can argue "those weren't actually feminists" or "they were extreme and don't represent everyone" but a lot of people still have those feminists in mind when the term comes up. It's not "men who hate women" who created this perception, it is the women who hate men.
The issue is men on youtube showing those few bad apples and declaring: "This is feminism"
You can find idiots in any movement. You can't "kick them out". Feminism isn't a club you join.
The issue is men like you not being able to think for yourself and simple believing what some dudes on youtube tell you.Just about every critique of the feminist movement(s) gets quashed by ad hominem and accusations of sexism. Perhaps there is a need to reconsider how this movement treats men, and how much venomous rhetoric is aimed in their direction?
If you think feminism bad bc they fight against MRAs Idk what to tell you other than stop hating women. MRA's are garbage and have never given a fuck about men's issues. They're the male equivalent of terfs, using a progressive social movement as a guise for their bigotry. As someone who used to think 3rd wave feminism was cringe and bad, you really need to reexamine your views and question why you're still going to bat for MRAs of all people
The problem is that there are even ingorant women that hate feminism.
It is not the problem but a problem. I grew up in a western country and everyone told me, there is no need for feminism anymore. It took me years to understand that's a lie, but if you simply don't know were to get informations... if you are told feminist now are hysterics so you don't seek their help/advise... there is nothing left than to recreate the things you are told.
Cause if you get yourself educated you can easy become social isolated.
New Blur album's pretty good
The problem is, no one can agree on what feminism stands for anymore, or rather, the movement is fractured, and all the different groups denounce each other. Feminism's problem isn't men, it's feminists.
Feminism is always a slay! (Esp intersectional 😍)
