Appreciation post for Liftoff not collecting user data or injecting ads.
Appreciation post for Liftoff not collecting user data or injecting ads.
I was looking forward to trying Sync today now that it's live, but my enthusiasm was immediately dampened after seeing the "Data Safety" section on the Google Play store.
Liftoff has been great, and want to say thanks for making an awesome app. This will continue to be my daily driver.
Edit: for clarity, because the post got way bigger than I expected.
Sync looks like a fantastic app, and the dev/s should charge whatever they feel is fair for their efforts, even if that's through the usual ads + ad tracking.
My intent was just to post here in /c/Liftoff to thank the Liftoff devs for managing to somehow offer an awesome app without any of that.
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Sync VS FOSS thing isn't over yet? Let everyone use what they like the most. Let everyone be the judge of their own data and how it is being used. For god's sake, live and let live folks
We're on the Liftoff community. And it's his opinion.
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I would rather not nornalize closed source software
Ah yes, closed source software, definitely not a normal, common occurance. Better not normalize it otherwise most of the world might end up using some kind of closed source software daily!
I, for one would rather actively work to de-normalize it!
There, is that written accurately enough for you?
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None of my data is being taken by Sync.
A lot of your data is being taken and shared by your bank.
Different people will place different levels of importance to obsessively chasing privacy - which is fine. Your constant attempt in this post to make your views on the importance of FOSS somehow a morally superior choice is the only embarrassing thing so far.
Do you know yourself for a fact that no data is being taken by Sync itself?
And its a fact that Google and Firebase are taking your data. Even if Sync itself doesn't collect any data, it uses Google products (as stated in their Privacy Policy which I'm 1000% you did read), and any and all google products will take your data.
That's the point of using a FOSS client, if it collected data people would know, the code is public. And the data collection can be removed, since the code is public.
Even outside of data collection or privacy, which clearly you don't care about, we should avoid giving Google more power. Look at manifest v3 or the web integrity API. That affects not only your privacy, but your security and ability to use the internet. And not only yours, but the whole world
Do you know yourself for a fact that no data is being taken by Sync itself?
Yes. You might be surprised, but given how I control my own network, I don't actually need access to the source code to discover if Sync is collecting data.
Unless you're somehow worried about Sync collecting a ton of data and never sending it anywhere, which would be a ridiculous claim.
As for Google... Yeah, I'm sure on my Android device, the one where I sync my photos to Google Photos and my files to Google Drive, Sync is most definitely the way Google is collecting my data.
But just as an addendum, you're indeed doubly wrong. When I enable my subscription, Sync only contacts Google when checking the subscription status. No crashlogs or similar data being shared here.
Well, you are just one of the (majority of) people who apparently don't care about being tracked by google. Me personally, others in the comments and maybe OP don't use anything google related, have custom ROMs without gapps and avoid Google like the plague. So it is a concern for us, using Sync would open the door to google tracking.
Others have pointed out that even if you pay for pro, Sync still requires Play Services.
You seem to happily Google products, so my point wouldn't apply to you. I just thought that most people would be concerned about google and tracking and fingerprinting and all that stuff, since we are in Lemmy and the Liftoff sub.
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Firebase is typically a dependency for key app features. If the app still works 100%, you're probably not even blocking the traffic.
Using Google Drive/Photos is just another problem. Amazing to me people keep bringing that up like a "you're a hypocrite" trump card.
You're incorrect, the API isn't even loaded for subscribers.
And no, for me using Google Photos isn't a problem - it's a really nice solution.
Subjectivity, isn't it great?
What API isn't loaded for subscribers? Firebase?
And no, for me using Google Photos isn’t a problem - it’s a really nice solution.
"It's not a problem because I choose to ignore the downsides"
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Only ignorant people do that.
Yeah, most of the world is massively dumb, but you're a genius. It must be hard getting inside a bus with such a massive brain poking out.
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You do realize that two people can have the same information, but make wildly different choices based on that, and that your choice isn't necessarily better... Right?
Because it really sounds like you don't quite understand that last part.
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If you aren’t ignorant, than you are stupid.
Yeah. This confirms it. Either someone makes the same choice as you did, or they're stupid. That's it. There's no conceivable reason in the universe somebody might know about the downsides but prefer to use Google services, or Microsoft services, or many others.
Hospitals, big companies, software engineers - nobody ever uses proprietary software, or they're entirely run by idiots. Congrats.
But you don't actually know what code is running on a given lemmy server. Just because the source is open, doesn't mean that any given server is using the reference implementation, admins could be running whatever they want on their backend.
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Christ, closed source is not the devil, and if you treat it like it is then it shows you don't actually know how open or closed source works, or the pros and cons of both types of software.
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God forbid a developer wants to own the code they write and be able to pay their bills doing it.
A fork "can be used" to stab someone in the jugular but it doesn't mean we need to get rid of all forks to ensure it never happens. People need to be smart with who they trust and who they give their money to. LJ isn't putting a gun to your head and forcing you to buy his app, but I'm gladly paying for it because I feel like he's an upstanding guy and frankly he's just better at building a good UI than anyone else on Lemmy (and yes, I've tried at least 5 different apps. Second best was Connect.)
I would rather not normalize software that looks and works like a high school project made by someone who doesn't know what UI or UX are.
UI UX Can be fixed tho.
You like eating shit?
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My guy, normal people aren't software enthusiasts