Linux @lemmy.ml WasPentalive @lemmy.one 1 yr. ago

Printing Rant! Why is this so hard?

Debian 12. HP Laserjet Professional P1606dn

If it prints at all, it prints the top inch of the test page or just random binary. I have tried the recommended driver, the driverless driver, the Generic PCL 4/5 driver, the Generic PCL 6 driver. And probably others I am not remembering.

I am trying to print over Ethernet, but I am about to drag the printer over near my desk and print via USB.

Fortunately, I don't have actual critical printing to do right now and I am only setting up a printer after installing Debian 12. BTW this means it is a fresh install of Debian 12 too.

I have been helpdesk support at a data center. I would not consider myself a dummy, but this is getting ridiculous. A task that should have taken all of 10 minutes has taken over 2 hours so far.

How are we ever going to get "The Year of Linux on the Desktop" if simple printing is and continues to be such a pain?

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In my experience printing has always been pain on all operating systems, especially Windows.

The fact that you literally need to open up about half of all possible TCP and UDP ports in a firewall just to get all printing protocols over the network to work at all and that the vendors try to prevent you from using third party ink, and other consumables is good evidence that it is more the printer vendors fault than anyone else's.
- Perhaps we need an "open source" laserprinter?
  
  I wonder if even just an open source firmware for printers could work.
- I just did a test with my Brother printer on Windows. I saw one port opened for the print protocol and four or five for various name service protocols (because I have a homelab and have screwed around with DNS a little too much, apparently). If you're opening half of all possible TCP and UDP ports to get the printing protocol to work, you're doing something wrong.
  
  I said "for all print protocols", as in all the ones network printers have to support to get all possible clients to work.
You're supposed to use hplip for HP printers. There's a Debian package for it in the main repositories.
edit: You can look up the printers and supported features with hplip here. Looks like your printer is perfectly supported (as long as you let hplip's tray program install their proprietary driver plugin).
- I will try that. Thanks! I am not sure what features I don't get to use because of the USB/Generic PCL printer setup I have now.
  
  That was worse - the test page failed with "filter failed", went back to "Generic PCL Laser Printer", and was able to print a full Debian test page again.
Why is this so hard?

HP

There's your problem. Buy a Brother, brother.
- The driverless "driver" for our Canon also seems to work well, the configuration that is lacking from it can just be done over the web interface
- How long have you been waiting to say that to someone?? : ^ )
  
  Too long. Too long ...
- I have a Brother printer that barely works with anything, but on Linux it works perfectly fine.
Next time don't buy HP, :(.
- I bought this printer years ago. It has worked fine most of the time up until now. Perhaps this is what I get for installing the latest Debian.
  I had a Canon multifunction that absolutely refused to work with Linux. Who sells Linux friendly printers?
  
  Brother printers are usually pretty good with Linux. HP ought to work with Linux just fine though, they've had Linux drivers since forever.
  
  As mentioned by another commenter, Brother sells out of the box working on Linux printers.
  
  Both of the Brother printers I have are completely plug and play on Linux... no set up at all. As soon as I had them connected to the network, I got a popup saying a new printer was available.
  
  Have you tried foo2zjs? I used to use that years ago for my old HP:
  
  https://www.openprinting.org/printer/HP/HP-LaserJet_Pro_P1606dn
  
  I was about to say Samsung, but then I just googled and found they were bought by HP lol... So no idea.
Rage against the machine never specified what kind of machine they meant. Now we know it was probably a printer.

Sorry, I know this is not helping, but I love that joke :D
- One becomes very understanding of the guys with baseball bats wailing on that poor printer.
Update = Connecting the printer via USB gave better results. I would rather talk to it via the existing ethernet, but I did have a long USB cable so at least I don't have to give up half my desk. The printer is still connected to the network too. perhaps my wife can use it from windows.

At least for now I can print.
- Glad you could get it working over USB. In case you're still pursuing a network solution: What's your network topology and can your wife print over Windows?
  
  She is currently rocking a very expensive-per-page Xerox color laser printer in her office, but next time we have to buy toner for that beast . . . She does not need color. The network is a single SOHO switch-based gigabit ethernet connected to the AT&T uverse router. Printing would not have to traverse any router. Now if the printers have to phone home, they will have to deal with carrier grade NAT, or use IPV6.
I know this doesn't help, but my linux experience has been good regarding printers. Much easier than Windows ever was. Probably just luck tho
- Thanks. Too bad it's not like that for everyone. What printer are you rocking right now?
  
  Canon Pixma MG3060. I don't recall needing special drivers for it. :)
I only have limited experience on that topic, but when I had to set up my printer, I found the arch wiki very helpful: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/CUPS

Packages name might not match, but general info should be good for any distro.
I've always just sent the docs to my phone over bluetooth and then printed from my Android phone. I rarely get printing to work on Linux.
To be fair, printing on Windows isnt all roses and sunshine either :) Printing in itself is an issue. I remember how happy i felt when the big tech started talking about the paperless office and all..

I’m still waiting, and praying for that day to come :)
I have never had an issue printing to my HP printer, or the many other HP, Canon, and Brother printers I have used from my Linux device. CUPS handles all of them exceptionally. On the other hand, Windows machines I've used need HP Smart for anything HP, and Macs can never correctly print to Canons.
I have a network connected hp officejet. If you want I can check my settings and drivers in CUPS tomorrow so you can compare. It has been working with several computers for quite a long time now and it gets auto discovered by windows and Linux.

I use ink from a 3rd party seller and it's relatively nag free since it's pretty old. It warns about non authentic ink, but then works just fine.
send the file to your phone and print using the app.

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