Surveillance footage shows Hamas bringing hostages into Shifa Hospital on Oct. 7
Surveillance footage shows Hamas bringing hostages into Shifa Hospital on Oct. 7
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The Israel Defense Forces releases surveillance camera footage from Shifa Hospital showing Hamas terrorists bringing a Nepali and Thai citizen who were abducted from Israel on October 7 to the medical center.
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Again people lose sight of the fact that regardless of hamas actions, that doesn't justify the killing of thousands of kids and families that are taking shelter in the hospital.
If anything, the medical staff and families are also hostages and they shouldn't be killed either.
People kept arguing about the tunnel and the hospital ignoring the genocidal killing of Palestinians.
Tunnels or Hamas using the biggest and maybe only hospital Doesn't justify the bombing of the hospital while people still getting treated from other bombing..
Let’s be accurate here. Thousands have died in Gaza as a result of this conflict, but Israel clearly did not kill thousands at Shifa Hospital.
You're right, the hospital bombed itself.
Hamas surrenders, releases hostages and it's done. But Hamas is the one pushing this war and they're using the suffering of their own people to push propaganda - and people like yourself support their efforts.
If Hamas surrenders, Israel will simply compete the genocide they're in the middle of.
They have literally no chance to win while causing great suffering on everyone around them.
I don't know how a sane person could advocate for HAMAS to continue their terrorist actions.
Alas Lemmy is a shitshow in this regard. Not sure if Reddit is the same but the vibe here makes me barf
Nobody is supporting Hamas. They're saying that there's no justification for the genocide that Israel is engaging in.
It doesn't matter what either side has done when the response is to murder children. It's all unjustifiable.
well if an ant bite kills your mom and you go and poison bomb the whole colony, then the surviving ants come bite and kill your dad. are you gonna just let the ants keep killing your family or are you gonna poison bomb the whole colony again
this is just an analogy (works for the nukes in japan too) at this point both sides are shitty and idek how to have a take about it anymore.
Yes let’s reduce this conflict to ant extermination, can’t see any problem with that analogy…
as far as analogies go, comparing Palestinians to ants to be exterminated is a bit too on the nose, don't you think?
then lets convert it to people then instead of ants
or is that hitting too close to home
Reddit is a Zionist mouthpiece.
Put yourself in Hamas miltant shoe. Mostly now had lost family members, living since born in a prison, you cannot go to sea, or cross to Egypt or even other part of the country.
What do you think Winning means for them ?
I guess for me it would mean to have at least some of my family members survive instead of dying pointlessly
They're going to die pointlessly regardless of what they do. While I disagree with what they're doing. I can't exactly fault them for feeling powerless and lashing out. When people have nothing to lose. They don't care how much anyone else loses either. And the Israeli government has the largest part of the blame on this. They helped Hamas come to power and use them extensively to justify their genocide. They don't want Hamas to stop.
I think we should totally fault them for committing acts of terrorism. It does nothing to advance their cause.
While the Israeli government has fucked up, too, they are the one of the two parties that historically at least tried to negotiate a compromise.
I don't believe for a second that they want the terror to continue, they're not comic book villains. You're selling your opinion as facts.
Netanyahu's own cabinet has literally said on video that Hamas is an asset to them. Those are the facts. Netanyahu and his ministers have also done a lot to help Hamas as well. Mind you, I'm not defending Hamas. Fuck hamas. Palestine is not Hamas however. Most the people living in Gaza never voted for Hamas. And don't support Hamas. And would love to get rid of Hamas. But they don't have the power to. The people that have the power to would rather come in and slaughter innocent citizens of Gaza under pretense of going after Hamas. Creating more Hamas and the process rather than actually getting rid of Hamas. These are the facts. Netanyahu's government's actions are indefensible.
When the so-called rescue response has killed multiple times more than the initial terror attack. It is a terror attack in its own right.
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That take is so stupid I won't even bother sorry
It is certainly better to kill Israeli soldiers than it is to not kill them. Peace has been tried for over 30 years, but Israel has refused. It's about time Palestine started fighting back. Genociders do not listen to anything short of warfare and terrorism.
Israel has refused? Israel is the one side that negotiated and offered multiple solutions to the conflict lmao
Yeah, any solution that isnt "Israel gives back the land they stole and stops genociding Gaza".
Dude what are you on about? Israel offered land.
If you think what Hamas is doing now is the better course you're just absolutely deluded
What land did they offer, and when? Was it even one thenth of the land they've stolen since the 1960s?
As opposed to the heavy resistance Hamas is currently putting up?
If Israel wanted a genocide they could easily accomplish it. They clearly do not. This entire line of argumentation is beyond stupid.
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Are you aware that Israel doesn't need to literally kill every palestinian in order to succeed at genocide? Do you think the Holocaust wasn't a genocide?
I don't give a fuck about Hamas, Palestine should fight back against the genocidal state by any means necessary. Nothing Hamas has ever even been claimed to have done is worse than genocide, so criticizing them at all is a logical fallacy. If palestine thinks incorporating terrorism into their war effort is necessary, I'm not arrogant enough to claim I know better. Every repercussion of this war on both sides is the fault of Israel, just like was true of Nazi Germany.
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So if Israel kills 2 million Palestinians, but elsewhere 3 million are born, that is still genocide. Also, source on their population going up? You mean like world wide or something? Certainly not in Gaza. No, Hamas did not violate a ceasefire. Laying seige to an open air prison for 20 years does not count as ceasing fire. Hamas attacked Israel in retaliation to them getting worse and worse.
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They haven't killed them yet,but they very much intend to. If you're not trolling, I highly suggest you do some research on this subject before speaking confidently on it. Basically everything you've said is incorrect. I can't educate you to that degree in a couple comments. But if you are well meaning, and you can ditch your pro America/ pro imperialism bias, you will come to learn a lot about how the world works overall by doing a deep dive on this subject. But let me be very clear: Israel is the bad guy, and America is bad for supporting them. This is a fact. Genocide is always evil, no matter who is doing it.
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The land of Palestine is where it was when the borders of Israel were drawn in the 50s. Israel has expanded itself drastically since then, and most (all?) of that stolen land is Palestine.
Never heard of it before, but based on the summary, I assume he says some real wack job shit, alongside his factually correct points, such as America bringing 9/11 on itself. He's right that when America targets civilians, they justify attacks like 9/11 in return.
"Why are we fighting and opposing you? The answer is very simple:
Because you attacked us and continue to attack us". Yep, he is 100% correct.
He also blames interest on loans as core to America's failings, which is honestly way more than I expected from him. Though, I figured out that capitalism is evil at like 25, while living inside capitalist propaganda, so it's probably not that difficult to figure out. Not that interest is literally capitalism, but it's a decent stand in for it that fits within his wack job religious message.
It's an interesting comparison between 9/11 and the recent Hamas attack though. It's not good that 9/11 happened, it just was wildly obvious that it eventually would. Meanwhile the exact opposite is true of the Hamas attack. It's good to kill people genociding you, but I'm surprised it actually happened.
This is a leftist shithole dude that eat propaganda for breakfast. Germany has done horrible stuff in ww2 that dosent mean the allies havent probabbly even more but ultimatly it comes down to who wins and who stands to tell the story. Hamas/Iran knows that and israel knows that and they need to act accordingly if they need to survive. Logic of security has always trumped moral in history those that didnt arent here today.
You can barely string together a sentence
That doesnt make me wrong leftie
Lmao you're cute
'the allies did worse than the Holocaust' is certainly a hot take.
they haven't actually bombed al shifa, or any hospital for that matter.
I am very civilly pointing out that the idea hospitals haven't been bombed is a disgusting piece of propaganda and someone who done even the bare minimum of reading non-IDF sources should know that. Personally I would feel more shame about lying about the deaths of civilians.
okay, can you link any evidence of hospitals being bombed?
https://www.doctorswithoutborders.ca/gaza-attack-on-ambulance-outside-al-shifa-hospital/
Literally Doctors Without Borders explaining that an ambulance right outside the hospital was blasted during bombings.
I'll remark the words of the other user:
Personally I would feel more shame about lying about the deaths of civilians.
Can you open any news article not written by the IDF?
Liar.
https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/11/14/gaza-unlawful-israeli-hospital-strikes-worsen-health-crisis
If I was this ignorant I would simply shut the fuck up.
I mean, I read through what you posted and it literally never says Israel bombed hospitals.
HRW just cites a Tweet by “WHO in occupied Palestine” that is very non-specific while sounding specific.
The relevant bits from the Tweet used as the primary source by HRW:
“We are horrified at the latest reports of attacks on and in the vicinity of Al-Shifa Hospital, Al-Rantisi Naser Pediatric Hospital, Al-Quds Hospital, and others in Gaza city and northern Gaza, killing many, including children.”
“Over the past 36 days, WHO has recorded at least 137 attacks on health care in Gaza, resulting in 521 deaths and 686 injuries, including 16 deaths and 38 injuries of health workers on duty.”
If I thought I knew better from my seat in a chair what was going on in Gaza than the humanitarian organizations on the ground there then I would simply log off and touch grass.
I mean, when you are calling people liars because they don’t agree with you, especially when your own sources don’t support what you say, I’m pretty sure that’s a sign you need to log off and touch grass.
Is it possible Israel has bombed hospitals in Gaza? Certainly.
Did you provide proof? No.
Clearly the UNRWA and the doctors at MSF don't know what they're talking about. Only the IDF does.
Clearly you can't even read or are mentally broken. The link above doesn't say the hospital itself was bombed. Go to sleep, it must be late in the morning, tankie
You are the liar, or just an idiot. Your own source doesn't say anything about the hospital itself being bombed
The Israeli military’s repeated, apparently unlawful attacks on medical facilities, personnel, and transport
Hmm.
Keep it civil. Removed.
Super cool how lying about hospitals not being bombed is "civil" but calling it out for the lie that it is somehow isn't.
Attacking the contents of an article is absolutely allowed, attacking other users is absolutely NOT allowed.
So in your comment:
"Liar. https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/11/14/gaza-unlawful-israeli-hospital-strikes-worsen-health-crisis"
That's fine. "Liar" is maybe a little strong, I personally would have allowed it, other mods may not have. Your mileage may vary.
It was the personal attack against the other user AFTER that where you crossed the line and caused the comment to be removed.
I disagree that saying someone is ignorant or that I would STFU if I was that ignorant is a personal attack. I also do not see how that is somehow more objectionable than lying about bombed civilians.
It's literally an ad hominem attack and is not allowed.
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/ad-hominem
You've also been warned about this before according to the modlog (which is public information):
https://lemmy.world/modlog?page=1&userId=82695
If you keep it up, you're cruising for a temporary ban.
I haven’t received notifications for any of those other warnings as far as I can tell, the links in the log won’t actually load for me. I also stand by them and encourage everyone to check out my forbidden opinions. It’s hilarious that one of them is literally a single sentence of me asking a mod for clarification.
Btw, why is lying about murdered civilians fine but calling someone ignorant is beyond the pale?
Not all mods bother replying to comments they remove, I choose to because I believe transparency is an important part of moderation.
As to the question, engaging in personal attacks violates rule 5 in the sidebar (which I wrote BTW):
"Rule 5: Keep it civil. It’s OK to say the subject of an article is behaving like a (perjorative, perjorative). It’s NOT OK to say another USER is (perjorative). Strong language is fine, just not directed at other members. Engage in good-faith and with respect!"
Ok, I understand that your stance is that ignorance is not a neutral statement of fact but a personal attack, and I do appreciate you replying unlike the last mod I asked that just deleted my comment without answering. Which I also had no idea about because I don’t monitor the mod log of every place I comment.
It’s just a really awful policy for the exact reason I’ve been underlining over and over: if polite lies about mass murder are fine and calling someone ignorant for saying heinous shit isn’t fine, you’re just creating an environment where impoliteness is worse than bigotry. And yeah I see the rules against that, doesn’t seem to be doing anything about the overt lie that hospitals haven’t been bombed.
“It’s the rules” is a terrible justification for leaving up lies about mass murdered civilians as long as they’re polite.