What was behind that Conservative vote against the Ukraine trade deal?
What was behind that Conservative vote against the Ukraine trade deal?
Ukraine has had a carbon tax for years
The basis for Poilievre's concerns seems to be a clause in chapter 13 of the modernization agreement between Canada and Ukraine (the new agreement runs to 30 chapters, plus annexes).
"Consistent with Article 13.24, the Parties shall cooperate bilaterally and in international forums to address matters of mutual interest, as appropriate, to … promote carbon pricing and measures to mitigate carbon leakage risks," the agreement states.
Poilievre's insistence that this is meant to "impose" a carbon tax on Ukrainians is also hard to square with the fact that Ukraine has had a carbon tax since 2011.
What's behind anything the cons do these days? It's obviously the Russians, who have influenced all manner of conservative politicians across the planet. The Cold War propaganda never ended. It eventually became mainstream conservative talking points.
PP is a fucking asshat, and so are all modern Cons brainwashed by Fox. We should seriously consider lobbying the CRTC to stop letting them air in Canada. Tucker Fucking Carlson called for an annexation of our nation. That's absurd, and should have raised more alarm bells than it has.
There's not even a true Canadian conservative movement anymore, because all they do is pretend to be Americans. How are you going to fly a Trump flag in Ontario my guy? Fucking idiots all around.
As a former card-carrying Conservative, I'm already deciding to vote ABC.
It raises the issue of ethics vs legality
It’s ethical to put a pride sticker on someone’s car when it’s next to a “fuck Trudeau” sticker. But technically it’s vandalism
What if you cover the bad word with pretty rainbows in case there are children present?
Maybe he wants to side with Russia and this is the only way to do it without destroying his broad support
Well now we know he's watching Fox news, chose anti-vaxx/Convoy, is using American anti-2SLGBTQ+ talking points, used misogynist tags on youtube, and what's this, Cons met with a Far-Right German politician with Pro-Putin views. Oh, and after condemning that far-Right politician, Poilievre did what to the Cons who met with him? Oh, nothing.
So the siding with Russia stuff is really already happening, but this does add more fuel to that fire.
My favourite PP tidbit is that he wanted to get rid of democracy (limit the ability to have fair elections) to keep Harper in power and was told no by his own party
https://www.ctvnews.ca/mobile/politics/poilievre-open-to-changes-on-fair-elections-act-1.1777138
Literally just virtue signalling. I don’t think there’s much legitimate thought behind it.
It's like anti-virtue signaling. Are they hoping their financial supporters will keep the money coming after their belligerent invasion is over?
Wow, there's some serious paranoia here. When you shout Russian agents that easily you start to sound a bit like McCarthy.
I'm guessing it was just yet another way to bring up the carbon tax. If PP wins it'll be interesting to see how he governs, because he's been pretty serious about making everything an opposition campaign stop, including critical cooperation with Ukraine.
Wow, there’s some serious paranoia here. When you shout Russian agents that easily you start to sound a bit like McCarthy.
I think most people are likely referring to this. Basically, its already been shown that Russia has influenced people here.
Sure, but that doesn't mean PP is knowingly an agent of the FSB or whatever. He's adjacent to a movement that's adjacent to Russian interests, that's it.
Let's be honest - the reason is that Poilievre will fight against anything the Liberals or the NDP say, ever. He would come up with excuses to vote against a bill saying "Eating live human babies is wrong and we shouldn't do it."
Canada has always had a problem with this behaviour, but it has never been so extreme as we are seeing from the no-longer-progressive conservatives.
"Consistent with Article 13.24, the Parties shall cooperate bilaterally and in international forums to address matters of mutual interest, as appropriate, to … promote carbon pricing and measures to mitigate carbon leakage risks," the agreement states.
Poilievre's insistence that this is meant to "impose" a carbon tax on Ukrainians is also hard to square with the fact that Ukraine has had a carbon tax since 2011.
" ... cooperate bilaterally ... [emphasis added]
He's not cranked out of shape because something might be imposed on Ukraine, but because it risks imposing something on Canada. But he can't very well come out and say that in relation to a war-torn country, so he has no choice but to lie.
The guy is no stranger to lies.
He knows the rules, and doesn't care o/~
This is the best summary I could come up with:
The mere fact of those votes — after two years of broad, multi-partisan support for Ukraine as it defends itself against a Russian invasion — would be noteworthy on its own.
Testifying before a House of Commons committee earlier this month, the federal government's chief trade negotiator said the provisions weren't binding and were meant to promote discussion and co-operation.
While the Liberals have denounced the Conservatives for voting against the modernization agreement, Labour Minister Seamus O'Regan also claimed on Wednesday that "no one is buying this carbon tax excuse."
Government House leader Karina Gould, meanwhile, seemed to hint at another motivation when she suggested that "Conservatives are following in the steps of right-wing American politicians."
If one ignores the rest of Poilievre's answer, maybe that initial comment offers a narrower explanation — that the Conservatives rejected a free trade agreement simply because it includes the words "carbon pricing."
Promising to repeal both elements would create an even bigger hole in Canada's climate regime for Conservatives to fill with different policies.
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Evil?
