If the majority of the Fediverse is going to defederate from Meta Threads, does that mean we will defederate from Tumblr too?
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If one thing happens, does that automatically mean some other specific thing will happen?
No.
Tumblr still exists?
And support ActivityPub? Two things I learned today.
Now owned by Automattic, the company that owns WordPress.
we never left
Yep! I host my writing on Tumblr. It's a great community for writers.
I stand my opinion on this... Some people are defederating Meta because they are anti-capitalist; these are the same admins who defederated mastodon.cloud as well as instances from Medium/Mozilla/etc on moment's notice, so I think they will certainly defederate from Tumblr. Most people would probably want to at least wait & see since Tumblr isn't as nefarious as Meta is
Not a huge surprise there is a large anti-capitalist faction on lemmy, so this isn't terribly surprising.
I'm no meta apologist, they've done enough to warrant skepticism. The reality is they can harvest the data even if you defederate their main instance, by setting up shadow instances or just scraping other instances, so that argument doesn't really hold water for defederation. The bigger one is content vs spam coming from their instances and possible EEE measures, but immediate defederation only serves to keep them siloed off and does not let them function as an offramp to better instances for regular users.
In practice, don't be surprised if most of the fediverse doesn't defederate from either.
I hope so.
Corps are free to use this standard, that doesn’t mean we need to allow them into our spaces. We’ve got something nice going her without them involved, very reminiscent of the earlier days of the Internet.
I doubt it. Meta is just ridiculous, going off of the App Store App Privacy report, why does threads need my browsing history and health and fitness data? Tumblr also grabs more than I’d like but nothing like that.
That’s only talking about the apps but really reflects on the attitudes at the company. People may not trust tumblr but they are not some giant known bad actor that wants nothing more than to grab anything about you and sell that data to whomever.
A lot of it will probably depend on how they use federated data and if they start being creepy with it. I think this will be something people have to watch for with any commercial entity, but also that most people aren’t entirely against federation with commercial entities.
It depends on how privacy-conscious does Automattic (the current owners of Tumblr and Wordpress) decide to make Tumblr. If they actually make good in their offer to open-source Tumblr though, you can expect people to federate with no issues with both Tumblr and other "Tumblr nodes" as well.
I don't get the privacy argument against federation with corporate instances. No corporation gets access to any more information when federated than they can get from the API with a simple login. Our privacy protection comes from logging in to instances other than those controlled by corporate interests, not by avoiding sharing our content with them (which we cannot avoid).
Hell even web scraping will get the job done. Defederating from meta is going to be akin to slapping a “meta bad” bumper sticker on and refusing to use Facebook. We aren’t the target audience of Threads, meta doesn’t give a shit about Lemmy or its instances, and defederating won’t impact the Threads experience or product hardly at all. Still, glad we have the option to defederate at all, and exercising that option should be used in this case, imo. Just don’t expect Mark Zucchini to be crawling on all fours begging Lemmy admins to stop because their product is being crippled lol
Depends on.
Meta Threads have other issues on top of potential EEE measures and concerns about data harvesting. Meta's moderation is a shit show on Facebook, Instagram, and so far on Threads, so federating with them will result on letting a large number of trolls into the Fediverse, that are encouraged to do their trolling for higher place in the algorithm. In addition to that, Meta can dictate policies to you, like no NSFW content, and for corporations that can mean almost anything.
If Tumblr doesn't go too extreme in any of these directions, I can accept federation with them. My main gripe with interacting with corporations is that they likely want to dictate the rules of the Fediverse.
If Tumblr doesn’t go too extreme in any of these directions, I can accept federation with them. My main gripe with interacting with corporations is that they likely want to dictate the rules of the Fediverse.
So I can tell you Tumblr's policies are a copy of Instagram. It is even more conservative than gram. It doesn't want any nudity or porn or even bikini pictures. Sees a nip through a shirt, gets shadow banned. They outright ban users for it. But their bots can't handle porn bots. So average casual user/blogger will banned while porn bots proliferate.
So their moderation too is a clown show...
For me, it depends heavily on how they do it.
There's too many factors to decide on a whim. Not all companies are wholly evil like Meta, Microsoft and Elon's enterprises, but they're all for-profit, and we must always be wary. I'm willing to give Tumblr's owner the benefit of the doubt for now.
OP if you're gonna reference a news story from months ago you should probably link to the news story
Tumblr isn’t based on ActivityPub, so you can’t “defederate” from it.
they will support activitypub in the future, that’s why op is asking
I don't think Meta will federate with most instances.
I hope not.
I really understand wanting to keep distance from Meta even if I think it will prove everyone right with what they think about the fediverse. I think more federation = more better, but we'll see how their moderation goes.
I think so long as the greater fediverse is over their "tumblr is full of whiny red haired liberals" phase, people would be more down to federate with it. Tumblr is actually great for longform blog posting, and it's a format I find myself really missing when I use other platforms. I'd love to be able to interact with Tumblr without having to use the horrible ad-ridden app or website
There's calkey for a fediverse version of Tumblr, if I'm not mistaken about what either does.
There’s calkey for a fediverse version of Tumblr, if I’m not mistaken about what either does.
From a user's perspective Calckey is basically Mastodon with better features.
Once the puritans flex their power with Treads they will be continuously on the attack for any instance they don't like.