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Biden, in Valley Forge speech, hits Trump hard as threat to democracy

wapo.st Biden, in Valley Forge speech, hits Trump hard as threat to democracy

Friday’s address marks a new phase of Biden’s re-election campaign that will emphasize Trump’s efforts to overturn election

The full speech livestream is here

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Biden called Trump a loser multiple times. Pointed out every single fucked up thing he's said and done. Biden went hard against Trump. This is the most I've seen him on the offensive. Keep this shit up!
- Dark Brandon has awoken.
- He's got literally nothing else to motivate voters...
  
  I'm relatively confident he can pull off a narrow win against trump. But if trumps off the ballots, and it's a "normal" Republican or even desantis, we might be fucked.
  
  Biden wants trump to run for the same reason Hillary did, I just hope he's not dumb enough to actually help trump make it to the general like Hillary did
  
  This isn't true anymore, though it was over the summer. DeSantis is polling neck-in-neck with Nikki Haley, down in the 15-16% range. That gets even smaller outside the GOP.
  
  Make it to the general? Trump wins the primary hands down. He's like 70% in the polls.
  
  Even Republicans don't like DeSantis. The more campaigning he has done nationally, the lower his numbers have gotten. He would get absolutely whooped. Trump is far more dangerous.
But did he slam Trump? I can't get riled up about a story without a good slam.
- Slam? I'm holding out for an evisceration.
  
  FATALITY
- He definitely goes off.
I’d rather hear what he’s going to do and how he’s going to do it than be told shit we already know.
- Look to the Democratic Party platform if you want to know what he'll aspire to. What he can actually do will be constrained by the Congress we elect and by the courts
  
  Hasn’t been restrained by Congress when he bypasses it to fund a genocide but for anything else suddenly he has zero power
- That's the entire platform, 'we are not trump, although most of our policies mirror Trump, we are not him.'. And are shocked that's not enough for voters.
He's correct about Trump, but why do I doubt that this will make a lick of difference to the people who were going to vote Trump? Unfortunately him saying that will probably only confirm to the Trumpists that Trump is the scrappy underdog hero they already think he is.
- The goal is not to convince Trump's core supporters, but to get low-information voters to understand what the choice they're making actually is.
So his whole pitch is "If you elect Trump democracy will end. If you elect me it won't." While this is a good argument this isn't going to get people to the polls. They need something to vote for, not something to vote against.
- That would generally be something I agree with, but this is a much different scenario. Voting against Trump is definitely the move.
  
  I’m not saying to vote for Trump. I’m saying Biden needs to give better arguments than “trump bad”. It’s the same damn argument Hillary tried and we all know how that worked out for her.
- He's done a lot that I like on the environmental front
  
  Not to mention the big drops in crime and inflation without a recession
  
  Compare the talk about environment with the actions on environment. The 2 don't align.
  
  Bidens just the president, he can't do anything!
  
  And
  
  Look at all the good stuff that happened, Biden did that!
  
  Is getting fucking old mate.
  
  Pick a lane.
- Ironically it’s also the death of democracy.
  
  If you have to vote for a certain party, you’re not free to vote.
  
  And let’s be real, the republicans are only going to be fielding worse and more dangerous people going forward so there will never be a chance to vote any other way than dem. Let’s hope you like right wing corporate interests because that’s all you’re getting.
The people that sue to keep people off ballots, RCV off ballots, rig their own primaries, and cancel primaries to install their chosen candidate have no business talking about threats to democracy
- People that sue to keep insurrectionists off the ballot are fine by me.
  
  That's not what being discussed here
- There are different levels to being a threat to democracy. I'm pretty sure what Democrats did doesn't really compare with the dictatorship Trump has in mind and what happened on Jan 6.
  
  Liberals help enable the type of dictatorship we currently live in.
- Biden isn't suing to keep anyone off a ballot. Trump being charged and held accountable for the crimes he committed is how the justice system is supposed to work.
  
  how the justice system is supposed to work.
  
  You don't actually believe that, if you did you would be saying he has a right to be in the ballot because he hasnt been convicted. Right there there is a claim he's responsible for insurrection, but no conviction. Which is how I believe SCOTUS will rule.
- They're not wrong. The Dems aren't the good guys here. As usual they're just slightly less bad. Someone that loves democracy lets a primary election happen rather annointing their chosen meat puppet....sorry, candidate.
- Why do commies agree with MAGAs so often? “Ukraine Nazis! American government evil!” Fuck outta this country. We gotta crowdfund one way plane tickets to North Korea for your lot
  
  BlueMAGA has more in common with MAGA than socialists and communists have with either of you. If it were trump doing the exact same things Biden has done liberals would be all up in arms about it. The same way they've been quiet while Biden enacts the exact same immigration policies as trump, still locking kids in cages. Has kept DeJoy and Trump's appointment. Same mental impairments that liberals write off as a stutter, despite NO videos from earlier years showing any impairment.

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