"Well you guys didn't vote for Biden to have a second term, so human rights remain off the table."
No way we’re surrendering our beachhead on a socialist state, especially one that’s next door to us.
They aren’t even dangling the idea of giving the Cubans their land back. This is just the pipe dream of the prison closing, not the naval base.
POW MIA flag but for the people stuck in gitmo
Except unlike the POW/MIAs there actually are people stuck in Gitmo.
Listen, I'm not going to close Guantanamo Bay or else all of Hamas will escape from Mexico and I'll be angry with President Corn Pop
#CORNPOPDIDNOTHINGWRONG
It’s 2024 and no one in America even questions the existence of an actual colonial outpost. The UK and Portugal suck but at least they gave back Hong Kong / Macau.
during the hong kong protests i never once saw a pro-protest lib ever once mention the simple fact that HK was a British Colonial outpost with literal British judges still ruling over it
The HK protests were half about people wanting British rule back. They legit didn't see colonialism as a bad thing which pissed of the mainlanders. Also it was probably the thing that radicalised me.
The UK and Portugal gave them back because China would've invaded them to take it back and they wanted to avoid international humiliation. X
Empty words for a near-impossible task. You can't imprison "enemy non-combatants" on American mainland nor can you commit political suicide by deporting them to their home country.
What's even the point of promising this? What undecided voter is dying on this hill?
What's even the point of promising this? What undecided voter is dying on this hill?
Its not intended to win over voters who are undecided between republican and democrat, its trying to win over those who are undecided between democrat and not voting or protest voting.
whether or not it was effective, I have my doubts.
What's even the point of promising this?
At this point it must be to taunt us.
Just kick out the last people to a black site and call it the Freedom Bay
Closing Gitmo but only because all the torture victims died of old age.
Unfortunately that seems to be their intended plan.
random elderly uyghur man found wandering cuban countryside after US personnel leave gitmo by boat and simply turn off the power to the whole facility
Fortunately, under Biden the prison is so woke and ethical that it doesn't need to be closed!
When Obama did try to "close Guantanamo," he tried to transfer the prisoners to American soil while keeping all the conditions the same.
I'm probably misremembering a lot but, right now, the inmates at Guantanamo are considered something like Prisoners of War... but not. Most of/All of them have not stood trial.
Moving them to the USA mainland and trying to dump them into the USA civilian legal system to "stand trial" would result in them being let off on any number of technicalities such as "being tortured for many years" and "being detained with little or no evidence". And we can't have that, now can we?
and trying to dump them into the USA civilian legal system to "stand trial"
No, they'd still be kept in indefinite detention without trial, but on American soil. That's the reason that several progressives voted to block the move, because it would've established further precedent to expand those conditions into the US. It wouldn't have given them a fair trial (by US standards) or stopped torture, it would've just allowed them to be held without trial and tortured on US soil.
Libs can't even commit to promises when they're for the tiniest compromise you can possibly imagine.
At this point they are hoping the prisoners try to escape, so the US can give then a trial/conviction for trying to escape prison.
Even German law recognizes trying to escape prison is a sane response & doesn't extend sentences for re-captured escapees
I wonder if a Lemmy Lib is gonna wander in here to tell us that no president ever (except Trump and maybe Bush) actually had any power to do anything.
I hope so I'm kinda in the mood for a Lib dunking today.
I want a lemmy lib to come in here and tell me why we actually need to vote so Biden can do this at the end of his second term because the end of his first term isn't good enough
Same bestie
Why does Cuba allow them there still?
Presumably because they can't do anything about it. The US offers Cuba a nominal sum to "rent" the land to maintain legitimacy and iirc the Cuban government has continually rejected it on principle.
Cuba one million percent doesn’t want them there, it’s just they can’t do anything about it. Taking it back militarily would definitely trigger war / an invasion. It was created when Cuba was conquered and colonized by the USA.
That's prime beachfront property, I wouldn't close it either
Unrelated Cuba related news, but a Cuban guy I know through a friend and who married an English woman to move over to the UK about 5 years ago had recently decided to get a divorce and move back to Cuba. This is great because the friend I knew him through genuinely believed Cuba to be some authoritarian hell hole despite the Cuban guy, his English wife and myself all trying to explain to him how it isn't.
Anyway, having recently been to Cuba I don't blame the guy moving back.
25% of British imperialism can be placed on people not wanting to be in Britain, and 75% on greed/racism/chauvinism/spices/tea/white man's burden/etc.
every president gets in office and is like "oh we can't actually scale back the MIC at all due to all the intelligence i now have access to" and the intelligence is that there's a terrorist organization in every country that we created that will kill a hundred people if we stop sending them money.
significantly over 1.27 billion people were born since he promised this. (world pop of '24 minus '08)
He'll get to it right after he cures cancer
