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Palworld studio admits it can't "keep up" with cheaters, says anti-cheat solution on the way

www.eurogamer.net Palworld studio admits it can't "keep up" with cheaters, says anti-cheat solution on the way

Palworld developer Pocketpair has acknowledged the significant impact "cheating and the influence of fraudulent activit…

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I always find it interesting how many people are welcoming kernel-level anti-cheat software. I dislike cheaters as well, but granting a part of a game essentially full access to my system isn't worth it at all in my opinion.

Also, I didn't even realize that people commonly play this game on a public server. I thought this was more like a co-op experience on a private server/invite basis, or solo.
- You can rent a server with 32 slots and keep your progression playing with buddies. Better than the joining players having to restart their progression to play in co-op
  
  Yup, I'm actually hosting a Palworld server for friends on my root server. I think the invite-based multiplayer is limited to 4 players.
- I always find it interesting how many people are welcoming kernel-level anti-cheat software
  
  Imo it really depends on the game, and how much cheating can actually effect things, and as time goes on and technology develops, it will only become more relevant. I remember a headline a while back about a monitor that used machine learning to track the enemy team in league of legends by "watching" the map, and marking whenever an enemy is crossing a ward.
  
  If the code used to cheat runs outside of the machine the game is running on - as in your example - kernel level anti-cheat won't even do anything. What's next then? Allowing the game (we are talking about games, I want to make that very clear) to whitelist/blacklist attached peripherals? "Ah, sorry, you can only play this game with Razer or Corsair mice, because your noname mouse might be injecting inputs from cheat software."
  
  Client-side anti-cheat is like validating payloads on the client side in web apps. It won't stop people who really want to break your game. Stop running shitty software on my computer. Anti-cheat needs to be server side, with (probably "AI" based) pattern recognition. If a cheater is found with some degree of certainty, let a human review the footage. Yes, these human employees cost money, but this is just the cost of running a (competitive) multiplayer game.
  
  Instead, game developers/publishers add a crappy anti-cheat software. It's cheaper, but it's also worse in terms of actually stopping cheating and in terms of security for the computer running the game.
  
  I’m not certain how what you said debates the other comment at all. Like I get that Chester will get more advanced or whatever, but allowing kernel level garbage is not ok to me. No matter the circumstances.
  
  Yeah cheating is a lot worse for competitive games than for casual games. For example, it doesn't matter how well you make a fps game, if every game has one cheater in it, no one will play your game. Cheating affects more casual games as well though, although it usually only affects the economy (eg. If someone gets infinite resources with cheats then the price of that resource will plummet).
- I don't get the appeal of multi player in this game. Combat isn't hard. Is it just base building with friends?
The only anti cheat I need is a private server with my friends. If they cheat I can just make fun of them for having to do it.
- Remember getting put in jails and generally shamed worked better than any anti-cheat. Anti-cheat really has become trying to fix the issue of taking the option of private moderated servers away from players
- If only they would fix the tiny annoyance of not saving local network settings. Just a pain to constantly having to type in the IP and password every time.
  
  Yeah, but at least there's the recent servers tab on the left and you can use that to join your private servers without typing the server address every time, just the password. A friend had to tell me that as my eyes completely missed this tab existing.
why would a game like this need anti cheat at all? they are using their energy all wrong 🙈
- Because gamers have a large population of assholes who believe that making others get pissed off makes them feel better about themselves.
  
  Just... play on a private server... Or single player.
  
  DRG has no anticheat and has no issues with cheaters either.
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It's pokemon Ark, it doesn't need anticheat.
- Yup, if you are worried about cheaters, play with people you trust or by yourself. I don't see any benefit to playing with randoms...
It's an uphill battle. Better to focus on allowing players to police themselves in close knit community servers.

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