Did lemmy.world really block the pirate communities? Totally unacceptable if so
Did lemmy.world really block the pirate communities? Totally unacceptable if so
Oh sure, let's go to Reddit to talk about Lemmy
The amount of crying on here over every little thing is wild.
No. There was no defederation.
https://lemmy.world/instances is the public list of which foreign instances are federated with or blocked. LemmyWorld is federated with dbzer0 still.
Lemmy.world did ban multiple piracy-related communities from both local and foreign instances, and you can see that activity in LemmyWorld's public modlog here: https://lemmy.world/modlog . Filter by action = "removing communities" to quickly find the mod actions.
The best solution is to just create an account on the instance that hosts the community, MATIES! ARRRRR!
A piracy focused instance that is hosted in a country with minimal to no piracy laws sounds like the way to go.
I don't get why all of the 12 year olds on here are bitching that the admins don't want to deal with potentially getting the instance shut down and/or jail time. People don't understand that the real world has consequences.
I think it has to do with these things: 1) lack of transparency about it (it just happened, no discussion) 2) the blocking happened just after a troll post about allowing communities about piracy 3) a lot of people that are into FOSS things are also into piracy and Lemmy is a FOSS thing. However, I totally agree with you. The people that make this place possible are doing it voluntarily and don't have the money to retain a legal team. They probably made the right decision. Corporations are very litigious and have more money. I just signed up for an account on the instance where the blocked communities are hosted. I'm actually glad I did. It's a cool instance with lots of interesting things to explore. They're into anarchy, which I think is fascinating. I'm a weirdo, though. I have accounts on lots of instances because I think it's fun to look at the fediverse from various points of view. I think most people want to just use one instance. Reddit nostalgia, perhaps?
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If you have the means to do so, you should do it. I saw an instance today that is like that. It's called radiation.party, I think. I would do things this way if I could. I just don't have the equipment at home at the moment and my ISP won't allow me to have a static IP. All you need is a computer you don't need to use for other things plus a static IP.
Why unacceptable? As the runner of an instance I get to have control over my own little walled garden - it's literally the primary strength of federation. If anyone, at any time, is unhappy with the content moderation policies of the admins of their Mastodon/Calckey/Peertube/Lemmy/kbin instance then they are able to find a new home - or maybe start one of their own, like dbzer0 did.
Not sure I understand your point - yes the runner of the instance has the ability to do whatever they want, but that doesn't mean whatever they want to do is a good idea. If the decision is implemented my response would indeed be to move to a different less problematic instance, after complaining a bit to see if I could get the decision reversed rather than having to flee.
Some instances are democracies some are dictatorships, some have no rules.
Actually, that could be the reason why sometimes the user finds things unacceptable, because some instance owners treat their instance like their "own little walled garden." It's a real pain to shop for an instance when you don't want a walled garden but rather an open medium through which to access content you wish to see. I see some instance owner decisions as reasonable (like staying away from misinformation and fake news) and I see others as a little bit unreasonable. I try to stay out of walled gardens. I like to roam free and make decisions for myself because I'm a smart boy, I know what I want and how I want it.
No. As it says in the post you linked they just blocked the community.
It's not just the biggest Pirate Community btw, it was one of (if not the) biggest Community across all of Lemmy.
A fundamental weakness of Lemmy is that every instance has to mirror all the content it’s users have subscribed to. This means that each instance is hosting that content, and is legally liable for hosting it.
I can certainly understand why the admins would choose not to violate their country’s laws.
I can even understand them choosing to do things based on their personal morality, ethics, and biases since users can always choose to use a different instance at any point in time.
Who is going to pay for the legal fees if the admins get sued?
There were no legal issues or threats, it was just some troll with a brand new account from a different instance that tricked admins into blocking those communities. See the other post https://lemmy.world/post/3175920 (if it loads, lemmy.world having uptime issues as usual)
Most rational people choose to limit their exposure to liability before it happens rather than increase their exposure to liability and wait around to later have to defend themselves.
Are you suggesting the proper course is to maximize your exposure to liability and then be forced to defend yourself later?
No legal issues or threats yet. Nothing wrong with proactively protecting themselves from potential legal issues.
It really isn't that hard to just make another account on whatever instance hosts your favorite piracy community. I don't really see the problem here
I have like 8 accounts
A statement will follow from the admins. When exactly it will be, I honestly don't know.
This was this from their discord (?) in the meantime.
Yeah. I mean a statement on LW itself. That was yesterday indeed.
A statement denying this nasty rumor about their behavior I hope?
There has to be a better way to handle this. Instead of just showing nothing maybe a nsfw image or something with a link to the instance? I don't know... But just defederating can't be the solution. Totally kills the point of lemmy.
I actually stoped my donation and created an account on a different instance.
I'll pump money into severs hosting in non bullshit countries then. We need to be better protected otherwise this will never work.
They did not defederate, they just blocked the instance (so basically what you are suggesting)
What's the distinction of it being blocked vs defederated? I just want to make sure I can see their posts and they can see mine.
