196 stands with palestine

That's not the message though, so this is disingenuous or misleading. We all 98% agree the US should tell Israel to quit their shit and not give them more funds or weapons, and that it's disappointing Biden and 90% of the US political establishment have supported this. However, what people are told is we should not vote for Biden, and vote third party or not vote, to 'send the Democrats a message'. Enough people doing that would have the predictable result of getting Trump elected, so yeah, it's a decent question why people would suggest that when a Trump admin would surely be worse on the Palestine issue.

I agree that Biden is a piece of shit, but if you don't vote for that piece of shit, then you'll end up with an even worse piece of shit. Don't even think that you're "sending him a message" by not voting or voting third party.

It absolutely sucks that things are like this, but sometimes you have to vote for a genocidal cunt to prevent an even worse genocidal cunt from getting elected, even if it makes you feel bad. Trump becoming the new president would only make things worse for you, and for Palestine, and for Ukraine.

Gross. Don't make this sub about this. We can be anti genocide without being pro religious extremist. This reads as pro republican propoganda - no one needs that.

This shit is just spam at this point

I used to believe Democrats when they said stuff like "unlike Republicans, we accept valid criticism of our politicians"

But they've really gone out of their way to disprove this. Their treament of Palestinians and immigrants at the southern border inspires no confidence that they will protect my rights as a LGBTQ+ person. They'd run me over with a tank if it were politically convenient.

As always, it's hard to separate legitimate and necessary criticism from assholes taking any excuse to talk shit. The latter will amplify and exaggerate whatever the former says.

Bad faith is just a bitch and a half to deal with.

Yes, I'm sure that if the democrats lose and Trump gets elected because people demonize Biden everything will get better in Palestine. Get real. Now's not the time to be an idealist.

Both Israel and Palestine countries are led by killing psychos.

There, i said it.

You can ban me now.

If the conclusion translates to way stricter conditions for aid (rolling back settlements, carving out pathways for aid, etc.) you won't get called fascist. If your conclusion is to let Trump into office, you are.

The first take is also a problem.

Genocide has a specific definition. The term is probably not applicable to Gaza, and doesn't have to be. A humanitarian crisis also leads to the above mentioned conclusion. Starting to call everything a Genocide that is nowhere near that level primarily has two effects:

• First it shuts down any debate about what is happening and what actions to take as a consequence. People who don't agree with the application of the term "genocide" will see you conspiracy theorists or similar. People who agree will write off all arguments as genocide denial. Stunlocking all processes that could lead to action.

• Secondly, and most importantly, it muddles the term. Genocide doesn't seem that bad if Israel is doing one or even Canada. While it does draw attention to your current issues, it simultaneously downplays actual recognized genocides.

An example of the second Point is, that a lot of people calling it a genocide are calling for aid to stop and NOT immediate intervention in the ONGOING genocide. Which would be a more appropriate reaction to genocide.

It honestly feels like a psy-op by Trumpels. How is your solution to this Conflict getting Trump - who is all the way on Israels side - into office? The man is one of the reasons for this situation, by cutting aid, by initiating the Abraham Accords, where "The plight of the Palestinians was an afterthought, if even that."

Genious idea, I see no way that can go wrong.

Dialectics people! Biden is complicit in genocide, and far fewer lives are endangered under him than Trump. Biden winning doesn't guarantee life, and we must vote for him to have a CHANCE at living. Even if we survive, I wouldn't call most of it living.

Standard neoliberal and conservative behavior, what a time to be alive

I most certainly don't. Neither do I stand with Israel nor the USA.

I sure wish I knew about the uncommitted movement before election day.

locking this post. It's causing more discourse than our team can handle.

Wholly agree with your point.

Off topic: why is the B word the only swear censored on blahaj.zone? I've noticed it in other communities from there and most, if not all other swears are safe.

B: removed Fuck shit ass cock dick pussy cunt

Either someone got mad for being called a B or they've got some conflicting thoughts on what justifies swearing and censorship.