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PS5 Pro developer verdict: ‘I didn’t meet a single person that understood the point of it’

metro.co.uk PS5 Pro developer verdict: ‘I didn't meet a single person that understood the po

Enthusiasm for the PS5 Pro seems to be non-existent amongst most video game developers, with most claiming there is no need for it.

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The PS5 itself barely has a reason to exist since most games are STILL cross-gen. If I hadn't skipped the PS4 generation my PS5 would have been a huge waste of money
- I almost skipped the PS4 generation but got a PS4 Pro. As a result I had a huge catalogue of PS4 games to play and all at a decent price as they had been out for a while.
  
  I was so impressed with the PS4 I purchased the PS5. Honestly the best thing about the PS5 is Astros Playground. Outside of that I'm just playing a remastered or patched PS4 game. The PS5 has been bitterly disappointing.
  
  I'm on my new game+ playthrough of Spider-Man 2 and that game does a fantastic job of showing off what the PS5 can do. Even on my shitty tcl TV. Only game besides the playground that I've tried that does, though.
  
  Ps5 has been absolutely shit. Even their own flagship games have been cross gen.
  
  If you bought a pro ps5 you would have a shit catalogue to play still.
- This is like saying new pcs barely have a reason to exist because old pcs can play some new pc games.
  
  I don’t entirely disagree with you, but if your old PC runs almost all new games and without any significant performance gains by upgrading, why would you get a new PC?
- I disagree heavily.
  
  I actually think that technologically speaking, the PS5 is unimpressive. But compared to the PS4 pro, calling it a “waste” is lunacy. The only reason you think this is clearly because you didn’t have a PS4 lol.
  
  Agreed. My PS4 consistently sounded like a jet engine while playing games with moderate level of graphics and moderate load times. The PS5 has instant load times, 4k resolution, and much better graphics. I don't regret buying it one but other than the fact that I don't find myself playing games much at all these days due to burnout.
- i think it makes it more like a pc in the sense that you can get the cheaper one, or the expensive newer one if you care about better graphics/fps. no complaints, i like it.
- I like that the controller go brrrrr
This is the same conversation we had throughout the entire rumorwave about this project: Who is going to buy this and which developers will actually anything worthwhile with the new hardware? Because all signs points to an expensive console (at least $600) with the only upgrades being a slight graphical bump and higher resolution. There are no new gameplay features.

I think people would be much more happy with a smaller, more power efficient version of the PS5 instead.
- There's also questions around the game industry as a whole. I think the recent layoffs at major companies aren't just another cycle, but systemic. The market no longer bears production of giant games with crazy graphics that cost $70 and have a bunch of DLC and gambling mechanics attached.
  
  Games won't go away, but they'll play fine on something like the Steam Deck, Switch 2, or modest gaming PC. What would high end console hardware bring to the table anymore?
  
  Graphics are no longer a major selling point in most cases. Most people would be fine with a good game that works and isn't saddle with microtransactions, even if it means it will look somewhat worse.
  
  Switch 2 will be underpowered and boring.
- Not even higher resolution. I mean, potentially on paper but consoles have been UHD capable(-ish) since the PS4 Pro and higher resolution’s are neither viable nor necessary. So it’ll just upscale a few titles a little less or run some games with a little higher fps…
There's barely a point to get a normal PS5 yet. I can think of only one game I'm interested in that's not also on the PS4.
- 4K gaming, same with Ps5Pro. But the Pro definitely makes much less sense.
  
  Plus Sony's sales are going down and with this console they can generate some buzz and sell even more consoles.
  
  4k gaming is nice and all, but I'd never get a new console and a new TV just for that. At that point, I might as well quit buying consoles for good and go for a PC - Sony started releasing more games on steam anyways.
- Is it Spider-Man?
  
  It's Final Fantasy VII: Rebirth.
Seems like company decision makers continue to be out of touch with what people want. People seem much more excited about products like the steam deck which play most of your whole library on Linux at very reasonable quality.

I think the console exclusivity game is nearing the end, there's going to have to be some actual innovation for people to come out of their pockets.
- Most people don't seem to care about the Steam Deck running Linux (I do), but they've been wanting a good handheld gaming experience, and nobody is offering it. Nintendo is stuck with decade+ old hardware, the PS Portal doesn't work w/o network, and the Windows handhelds kind of suck.
  
  Steam Deck works well with minimal effort, and people love it.
- I don't know about the rest of the world but my country is in a recession. There are no jobs and no houses. Rent is huge.
  
  The number of people who can buy expensive toys is going down. People want good value for money, and good value for money is winning the market.
- "reasonable quality" lol it's shit
Yeah, besides the PSSR feature, I'm struggling to see the point in upgrading to this if you already have a PS5. It feels like Sony and Microsoft are just going with plans they made at the start of the generation when they assumed they would need a mid-gen refresh. But with the massive shortages it doesn't really feel like we're at the kind of midpoint that calls for a console refresh.
- If Microsoft is working on an enhanced model it's a new development, their console development plans leaked during the Activision purchase thing, it had their next gen plans and the digital only Series X but no enhanced model.
- Yes, if they want to grow hardware sales, they should aim for cheaper hardware. Given how most games are still cross-gen, they could have sold a PS5s or smg with a PS4 pro level of performance, but PS5 design, Dualsense features, etc.
  
  I also feel they missed the mark on the Portal, it’s a niche gimmicky tool, instead of a powerful competitor in the growing handheld market.
  
  PS5 Pro is a stupid idea, maybe in 2 years it would make sense, but still doubtful. Due to the slower development of tech and covid supply chain issues, the real start of the generation got “delayed” a few years, which should be taken into account.
The same thing but more FPS. What's not to understand?
- The question is who would want one?
  
  If you're a big graphics nerd, who really needs the highest quality everything, you probably have a PC. If you're an average consumer , the PS5 is fine. A PS5 Pro seems unnecessary.
  
  The question is who would want one?
  
  I would, the reasons are simple:
  
  I am a patient gamer
  
  I'm a poor gamer lol (bad streak)
  
  I know there is always gonna be a pro model, or at least an improved slim version, that was not the case this time unfortunately.
  
  I have a PS4 slim so I can hold on with many many games (also have a huge backlog of PS plus games).
  
  PS5 does stuff PC still doesn't.
  
  It's not enough for me to buy games there first, but mostly because of Steam Deck. Even though PC supports pcie4 as well, the fact that it's a standardized hardware feature with built in hardware decompression means games can rely on proper loading bandwidth.
- Here's the thing though, when you're CPU-limited (and a lot of the games that struggle on current gen are) the upgrade won't do much.
  
  You should expect better resolution, ray tracing and possibly better image quality if devs implement PSSSR and it's better than whatever upscale solution they'd use instead. Maybe if a game is pretty close to hittong its frame target it'll give you a smoother performance but don't expect much last that
  
  Frame generation is a thing.
As a lifelong lover of video games, this generation is pretty underwhelming, bar a few exceptions like Gran Turismo 7. I don't even buy Switch games anymore because the value proposition is so bad. I'd love that Mario RPG remake but instead, I just play the original on an emulator.

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