Joe Biden "drives me crazy"—Former Obama strategist David Axelrod
Joe Biden "drives me crazy"—Former Obama strategist David Axelrod
David Axelrod said he believes Biden "needs to put himself on the side of working people in their economic fight."
Drives me crazy too - still voting for him, and if you aren't voting for him, then I really don't need to associate with you because I know you don't care about anyone other than yourself.
you don’t care about anyone other than yourself.
this is a leap of logic
At this point voting for Biden despite what he's allowed to happen in the middle east is only done with the voters self interest in mind, and don't care about brown people.
MLK remarks on white liberals detailed in Letter from a Birmingham Jail still ring true.
I'm not even going to try to follow the mental gymnastics you took to arrive at your conclusion. Have a good one.
I'm voting for him cuz I care more about domestic politics that effect me directly than the genocide he's doing to people in a land far far away but if you don't vote for him too you're just a selfish meanie because you care more about the lives of kids on the other side of the globe than MEEEEEEE!!!
The fakeleftist's prayer
- Biden and Trump are exactly the same, I'm sick of these totally identical corporate candidates.
- And if they're not the same at all, then Biden's done all kinds of horrible things domestically, let's not focus on comparing the two.
- And if it turns out he's actually been really good domestically, then I care so much about the Palestinians that I can't possibly for vote him.
- And if Trump on day 1 nukes the Palestinians and also Iran and Ukraine, and turns the United States into a for-real fascist dictatorship with the military shooting protestors and no elections for 12 years until we can get out from under the hellscape, at which point it'll be even more too late than the too late that it already is to do anything about climate change... then that's just the price we pay to avoid having to choose the lesser of two evils. Definitely worth it.
- Besides, they're exactly the same.
if you aren't voting for him, then I really don't need to associate with you because I know you don't care about anyone other than yourself.
You know other countries exist, right? And none of their citizens will be voting for Biden?
Fully aware, what I said does not apply to foreign politics - thought that would have been clear given the subject of the thread.
I simply couldn’t bring myself to vote for anyone enabling a genocide, while having very direct power not to. That is simply not something I could in good consciousness do.
Luckily I do not have to, since I do not live in the us. But it is just boggling me how this is a hill someone is willing to die on. I live somewhere with a sensible system already in place, and I can’t thank my ancestors and those that came after them, especially the labour movements and very vocal activists and activism in general, enough.
The problem out there is in the system, it seems to me, and even if we accept that the system is something unchangeable, the actual “better” candidate is still a huge problem.
It makes no sense to vote for someone you do not endorse or want to vote. That is just a waste of your voice and your vote.
Nothing ever changes, if nothing ever hurts. This is the very core logic of labor action too. Halting production is costly and causes problems nation and/or industry-wide, but why would anyone change the status quo if there isn’t an incentive to do so? Why give the workforce sensible salary, when all the production lines run just fine without doing that?
Now, with the two-party system, I get the logic that if one does not vote for the democratic candidate, it lowers the threshold for the opposing forces to win. And that is bad, but mostly in the short, immediate term of a turn in office.
But why on earth would the other side, democrats, ever dish out a good candidate, if they can rally people and get support with genocidal, spineless ones too? Why change, if everything works great without change?
The only way you guys get actually sensible representation, and preferably even a change in the whole system, is if enough people actually feel the hurt. The horrible side to it is that those worst off will feel the hurt the most, but as things stand, those in power, even in democratic side, feel nothing, really, for the most part. So why change anything?
If their candidate loses to fucking Trump, after everything, knowing all everyone should know by now, it should open at least some of their eyes to the fact that there are nothing but bad fucking choices, and they do not win with bad fucking candidates. Maybe Trump goes ahead and wrecks the system and goes full-ass fascist or whatever, that should finally get people to the barricades and do something about the dumb fucking system everyone keeps complaining about, but not causing enough pain for those that have any power, for them to initiate any meaningful change.
Not voting Biden hurts, but voting for him just keeps the current fucked up status quo at play, gaining ever tighter grip, becoming harder to shake up each term. Do something. Change things. Fuck the people who keep things tasting like shit. Vote to change things. Be the revolution, or at least some meaningful change, if not that.
Otherwise you are just allowing the Trumps of the world to play the system and keep getting away with the most ridiculous shit.
Just my thoughts, as someone who’s always voting for my ideal candidate, but not getting fucked in the ass by doing so, because our system formed in time into something sensible via peoples’ actions, labour movements, just progress in general, instead of having to fucking compromise all ideals just to get the slightly less horrible guy to the top of the ivory tower…
Good for Axelrod. But let’s be honest, The Rock coming out with his reservations earlier this week was much bigger news
He's not wrong.
When potential voters are telling you how bad they have it, the correct response is NOT "Hey, what are you talking about, Jack? Economy is doing great!"
You would think he would have learned from Bill "I feel your pain" Clinton.
Wait... people thought "I feel your pain" was sincere?
The thing is, sincere or not, he didn't write off voters valid concerns. "It's the economy, stupid!" and all that.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/It's_the_economy,_stupid
Biden should have a statement along the lines of "Look, I know grocery prices are still up, but at least we're not fighting for toilet paper like we were under Trump."
Which would acknowledge a) yeah, things still aren't where they need to be but also b) we're doing better than 4 years ago.
Yeah, I feel you on this. It's tough though. The accurate answer is "Dude I'm fucking trying, the house is on fire and we got 10% of it put out even while there's a whole gang running around lighting more fires. I'm proud of the 10% but if you got the help to give me to get more I'd fucking love it."
But it's tough to say that and not have it sound impotent. People are weird in how they judge statements. It may feel to him like his two choices are either "hey things are great" (which, they aren't) or else "yeah you're right it sucks" (which is terrible because it undercuts everything significant he's been able to do).