Hey, we should all really stop using racist slang to refer to customozation
Hey, we should all really stop using racist slang to refer to customozation
Meta post I've decided to make. I enjoyed the unixporn subreddit a lot when I used reddit more. I enjoy customizing my linux de as much as the next nerd.
But you definitely shouldn't use racist slang to refer to the process.
To be clear, I didn't know the origin of the term 'ricing' until fairly recently. I was chattimg with my friend and used it to describe my de setup. They informed me that apparently it's from car customization, and is a pejorative against generally asian men who customize their car to look like a racecar.
After learning this I was sad to realize just how engrained it is in linux de customization culture. I personally have stopped using the term, and I would ask everyone here stop as well.
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Everyone who talks about hexbear brigading, piling on, or "taking shifts" doesn't understand how federation works.
Just because there are some users that stumble upon content semi-organically doesn't mean brigading and piling on isn't happening. I would hope you guys aren't actually taking shifts. Hello hyperbole. And none of that indicates someone doesn't understand how federation works, are you sure you understand how it works?
the group of people who get to decide whether or not something is racist is the group that is the target of that racism
They're also the group that gets to decide if they're offended/if something qualifies as racist toward them. You'll notice OP never indicated if they were part of this group, and by them recently learning the roots of the term as it relates to the car scene I'd guess they're not. Hello virtue signaling.
Hetero people don’t get to decide the 3-letter f-word isn’t homophobic
When it relates to homosexuality, I agree. When in another context, like.. oh say British slang, it's not at all. Context matters, that's the whole point here.
trying to force a racist term into regular usage ... is itself some really racist shit
I'm not going to concede your assertion that ricing in this context is racist. Nobody is forcing anything, ricing in this context has been a non racial term for as long as I've seen it used to describe customizing DEs. This is what something changing organically looks like. Unless you can point me to a source showing the term as it relates to linux was intentionally used to try to dull the racist origins in the car world you can go sit with the other hexbear virtue signalers in this post.
Just because there are some users that stumble upon content semi-organically doesn't mean brigading and piling on isn't happening.
You have any proof of this or are you just assuming that happens because you can't fathom that many people actually disagreeing with you?
You'll notice your comrade is the one that mentioned brigading. I only said there were a lot of hexbear users piling onto people that disagree with OP, which is obvious reading through the post. I can't hold your hand on that though, if you don't possess the reading comprehension to see that that's on you.
You're obnoxious. Hexbear is one of the largest instances, comparable to lemmy.ml which is where this was posted. There are also users from lemmy.ml and other instances agreeing with OP.
You're just a huge fucking baby that thinks encountering lots of opposing opinions must be some grand conspiracy against you.
Again with the lack of reading comprehension. Did I say it was only hexbear users piling on? No. I just pointed out that there are a lot of hexbear users piling on. Your persecution complex is showing.
I'm not sure where you assumed I"m upset about anything here or that I think there's a conspiracy against me. Hello projection.
Your persecution complex is showing.
Right back at you. Nobody is "piling on", there's just more people disagreeing with you than agreeing, deal with it baby.
Lmao are you gonna bust out the I'm rubber you're glue next? You lack reading comprehension and you've devolved to throwing insults instead of having a discussion.
If you can't see all the hexbear users piling onto those that disagree with OP I don't know what to tell you.
Good luck out there.
If you can't see all the hexbear users piling onto those that disagree with OP I don't know what to tell you.
Again, that's not piling on, that's just your fragile ego not being able to handle a lot of people calling your opinion garbage.
Why do you insist on centering this on me? Mentioning the piling on was my first comment here. There's zero chance I was referring to myself lmao and I'm still not.
Your constant need to go after me is pretty telling. I'm curious what your definition of piling on is if attacking people instead of their argument doesn't meet that bar.
And again, not talking about myself. And if you need examples I invite you to read all of the responses in the thread objectively, and not as a hexbear user with already hurt feelings.
And if you need examples I invite you to read all of the responses in the thread objectively, and not as a hexbear user with already hurt feelings.
I actually did re-read the entire thread extremely objectively (I put on my maximum objectivity cap) and I stand by my initial conclusion that you're a huge fucking baby.
Dealing with you is tiring just like every maga idiot ever parroting the same bullshit and never actually addressing a point. You sure you didn't go so far left you ended up in rightville? You may have dropped your red hat.
I'm going to take your refusal to address anything other than your weird sticking point of calling me a baby as you have no legs to stand on with regard to the actual substance of this thread.
Keep holding that L homie.
Yes, there must be brigading going on, it's not like there's some sort of "front page" for federated instances that just anyone can browse, where active discussions like this would be promoted over less active content.
🥱 read your shift change notes. The line you're taking has already been quashed.
Been quashed? You're claiming that users could only semi-organically stumble upon this post, when your continual engagement has kept it at a healthy position in the active feed for the past 2 days. If it weren't for your insistence on being racist none of us would have seen the post at all.
Right, I forgot you fools lack reading comprehension skills and the ability to recognize nuance.
I didn't say there was brigading going on, your comrade brought that up. I simply said just because some users were arriving organically doesn't mean brigading is out of the question. The original point, which continues to be evident, is that there are a ton of hexbear users piling on to anyone that doesn't fall in line with OP. You all seem to conveniently ignore that and straw man into bringing up brigading and hurling insults. You prove my point every time a new one engages. Every. Time.
The only remotely racist users I've seen here are, unsurprisingly, hexbear users. You're the main ones attempting to nurture a term in a different context to try to get a completely different community to use your preferred racist definition. If you truly were anti-racist I would have expected celebration of the death of a racist term in the car community by way of the unixporn community using it with pride to show off their DEs.
Instead you cling for dear life onto your racist definition like conservatives do to the fucking electoral college and FPTP. It's really telling.
Edit: I went ahead and queried the lemmy database from a federated instance I have access to.
These are the top 3 instances commenting in this specific post at the time of writing (2023-08-25 08:02 UTC):
instance | count -------------+------- hexbear.net | 205 lemmy.ml | 106 lemm.ee | 61These are the top 3 instances and their comment counts on any post in lemmy.ml/c/unixporn this month at the time of writing:
domain | count -------------+------- lemmy.ml | 210 hexbear.net | 210 lemm.ee | 100You're reading that right, hexbear has a whopping FIVE comments in this community that are not part of this post.
For the curious, those 5 comments at the time of writing are:
- https://hexbear.net/comment/3722672
- https://hexbear.net/comment/3749006
- https://hexbear.net/comment/3722165
- https://hexbear.net/comment/3722091
- https://hexbear.net/comment/3790117
One of which is especially hilarious as we see a hexbear user that's been railing on people in this post using the very term they're condemning here. Strong convictions? Perhaps bandwagoning the hexbear teet? Who knows. Definitely not suspicious 🙄
"I didn't say there's any brigading going on, I just said there's some brigading going on - look, this incredibly popular post has more engagement than any of our other posts!"
The absolute brazen dishonesty you're engaging in the whole way through this thread is disgusting, and why you get piled on to. The fact is that you're pretending a racist term isn't racist (in the same way as calling stealing "jewing" isn't racist, I suppose (just to make sure you understand, it's very racist)), and your only real argument is "all the hexbears are piling in and being mean :(", not some justification for why taking a racist term for improving the look of a car without improving its performance isn't racist when you apply the exact same term, without altering the concept in any way, to computers.
Here, let me help you. My first comment in this post, please show me where I said there's brigading going on. I didn't. And the fact that you read my edit and equated that to me saying there's brigading going on is extremely telling. Again, your comrades brought up brigading, not me.
You want to talk about brazen dishonesty? Look at the rest of you and yours and how you constantly rephrase what's been said to benefit your own narrative. Disgusting is right. I got piled onto from that very first comment before the edit lol, how revisionist of you to pretend things that came up later in the thread were what caused the thread to happen. And to be clear, no part of what I've said is "hexbears are being mean" or crying about it. That's the straw man each of you have been constructing to try and skirt your own racist tendencies.
It's interesting that you're equating a word that doesn't refer to a group of people outside of a racist context (rice) with one that explicitly refers to an ethnoreligious group. Do you see how hard you people are working to make the term racist? The argument centers around semantic change and how hexbears are leading the charge to try to proliferate the usage of the term as racist. The concept isn't altered? Please tell me which group is belittled when utilizing it in the unixporn context.
term for improving the look of a car without improving its performance
You'll also notice even your own definition independently lacks any racial charge or pejorative meaning whatsoever without you adding it yourself. It's almost as if context matters.
I'm not really interested in the debate about brigading, but more on the data.
Can this just be retrieved via an API?
I'm not sure if anyone is exposing an API for this. I'm pulling it directly from the database on an instance I have access to. At first I was worried it wasn't accurate for hexbear because it's a much older instance, but they didn't start federating until very recently so it's close enough.
Thanks!
Just because there are some users that stumble upon content semi-organically doesn’t mean brigading and piling on isn’t happening
That's some next level mental gymnastics to justify why people are disagreeing with you. Look, ricing isn't racist. It's better this way. Let the old meaning die. Let racist inventions be superseded. Don't complain something organic is reminding YOU about some bad meaning associated with a word in the past.
You've given me whiplash. No mental gymnastics involved in casting a wide net.
The rest of your post seems to agree with me? Did you mean to reply to someone else?
