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harpers.org Nothing Left, by Adolph Reed Jr.

The long, slow surrender of American liberals

Nothing Left, by Adolph Reed Jr.

This article does a great job of explaining people's frustration with having to vote for Biden again. It's long, so here are some quotes. They're totally cherry-picked, I'd recommend reading the whole thing (especially if you think the problem started with Biden, and that Clinton and Obama were ever good choices).

during the 1980s and early 1990s, fears of a relentless Republican juggernaut pressured those left of center to take a defensive stance, focusing on the immediate goal of electing Democrats to stem or slow the rightward tide.

Today, the labor movement has been largely subdued, and social activists have made their peace with neoliberalism and adjusted their horizons accordingly. Within the women’s movement, goals have shifted from practical objectives such as comparable worth and universal child care in the 1980s to celebrating appointments of individual women to public office and challenging the corporate glass ceiling.

Each election now becomes a moment of life-or-death urgency that precludes dissent or even reflection. For liberals, there is only one option in an election year, and that is to elect, at whatever cost, whichever Democrat is running. This modus operandi has tethered what remains of the left to a Democratic Party that has long since renounced its commitment to any sort of redistributive vision and imposes a willed amnesia on political debate.

I mean, you probably should vote Biden this time, because he's not all that bad, he's done some good things. And trump is so terrible, it probably will be the end of democracy and the victory of fascism if he wins. Right? But what about in two years time, or four years, or eight years?

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  • Letting it all burn down won't usher in an utopic constitutional convention of the people where we right all the wrongs.

    Sitting out the election process is exactly what the pro-status-quo representatives and governors want, because that makes it easier to manipulate a desired election result. We've seen quite plainly over the decades that low voter turnout does not motivate the parties themselves to push electoral reform or different candidates. Those will only come with high turnout in the party primaries to get progressives nominated and elected at the state level where the authority lies to set the election rules (such as getting away from first-past-the-post). It may even require voting in Republican primaries depending on the district.

  • But during the 1980s and early 1990s, fears of a relentless Republican juggernaut pressured those left of center to take a defensive stance, focusing on the immediate goal of electing Democrats to stem or slow the rightward tide.

    I wonder what might have happened between 1968 and 1992 that might have led them to do that

    In those 24 years there was one Democratic president, who actually was pretty left wing (esp in American politics), who only served one term because he was widely unpopular with the electorate because the electorate in America at the time was a bunch of central-America-bombing Israel-supporting proto Nazis. Remember 1972, when Nixon of all fucking people got 520 electoral votes and McGovern of all fucking people got 17?

    I don't think it was just some weird Democratic-party plot to tack to the right. I think it was survival. I actually do think that there's a golden opportunity now, with the way the electorate has shifted, for real lefty candidates to gain much more traction than the neoliberal crap, and I think most of the DNC hasn't figured that out and just gets mad at it instead. Cf Bernie Sanders. But still, that doesn't mean that even back in 1992 they were doing it on purpose to betray the electorate; I think it was the opposite.

    True, the last Democrat was really unsatisfying, but this one is better; true, the last Republican didn’t bring destruction on the universe, but this one certainly will. And, of course, each of the “pivotal” Supreme Court justices is four years older than he or she was the last time.

    This is about the point where I stopped reading. I was searching for some sort of concrete indication of why they're saying that the Democrats are continuing to tack steadily to the right, when to me the arc of Clinton -> Obama -> Biden looks like exactly the opposite (quick rundown of why: tons of NATO bombing -> some drone strikes -> weak verbal-only opposition to Israel and sanctions on settlers) (or: welfare-to-work -> income inequality is flat at least -> big wage growth at the bottom end and massive increases in corporate tax). But no, they're just repeating the assertion and the narrative, over and over, without explaining (anywhere that I saw) why they are asserting it's that way.

  • Eh. The two parties used to be a lot more similar, never with Clinton or Obama was the dem-or-else mentality particularly strong. Swing voters have gotten rarer, but they used to be quite common. That's a person that will vote for either party, depending on the individual. This was sensible because they weren't as far apart from each other.

    I mean, particularly with Obama vs Romney. Obama's signature achievement? Obamacare. Romney's signature achievement from his time as governor? Romneycare. And they were extremely similar, policy-wise. These folks tended to get called "moderates", and it didn't really much matter which party they were a "moderate" of.

    Now the choice is between one of those old moderates, same as we've had, and a wannabe dictator. So, Trump makes things special.

    • And the major reason it was based on Romneycare was because it was feasible they would get some support from the conservatives that way and be able to sell it better to the country as a whole for being bipartisan, and for a while they actually played along. But the GOP decided that they couldn’t be seen to help a black man and in an unprecedented manner went full obstructionism in a direct line that leads us to today.

  • The labor movement is stronger today than any time in my life of forty years. It's not what it was a century ago, but what is?

  • It's honestly tiresome. I was caught up in the fervor of the Trump era, when it felt like the Democrats would finally, once it was their turn, start enacting fundamental changes to fix this mess of a country, but now that the combination of the pandemic stresses and the opportunity that results from chaos has died off, I more clearly remember the Obama administration and can watch the Biden administration affirm, they have no desire to make any changes necessary to truly help people or right the incredible wrongs of this nation.

    I'm tired of liberal scolds who like to pretend Biden didn't write the Clinton Crime Bill, hasn't routinely granted more funding to police when possible, hasn't increased the military budget and so on.

    Tired of them acting like Biden will ever even attempt to fix the fundamental problems with this nation, like FPTP voting, lack of single payer healthcare, overly mitarized police and wanton expansion of civilian surveillance.

    I know he's one of the best President's to date on climate and that people in the bottom quartile of income in the US have seen pay rises. It's good, but it's not enough. The Democrat's method of incremental change feels like platitudes in the face of wanton use of power by the Republicans. As if they feel they need to be cautious and careful in their use of power to seem more legitimate in the public instead of wielding the office in a way that makes sweeping benefits to Americans.

    I don't think Biden is all that great, I have zero faith he'll ever do anything to truly prevent this country from sliding to fascism in the future, he'll just maintain the status quo and kick the ball to the next guy, just how every other Democrat does it and his successor surely will too.

    So vote blue, whoopty doo, what else is there to do?

    • Student loan forgiveness, 15% minimum corporate tax, 40% emissions reductions by 2030, 7% increase in wages at the bottom end as compared with inflation even when inflation is at historic levels, NLRB providing legal backing for union activity for the first time in quite a while

      And that's only the shit they got done; what they passed as bills / orders but then the Republicans blocked was actually quite a lot more (much more aggressive versions of most of the above + marijuana legalization as a start)

      Also, "democracy might end if Trump gets elected" is not some weird bogeyman; they already stormed the capitol with plans to kill the vice president and progressive congresspeople. The liberal press didn't make that shit up to scare you; I can send you the videos if you want

    • So vote blue, whoopty doo, what else is there to do?

      Treating this as an actual question and not rhetorical. There’s organizing for specific candidates and raising/donating money, ESPECIALLY down ballot. I 100% get being frustrated with the presidential choice, but they are only one part, and honestly a more minor part in your day to day.

      Volunteering time for local races has a bigger impact for the amount of time one can put in. Could be letter writing, texting, or phone banking. Could be working for outreach in a local parade, table at a county fair, or door-to-door. I know people that ran for local races like school board where helping them raise $500 is a massive windfall and makes a huge difference.

      Sure, keep Biden in to elect judges and sign legislation. Work to elect people locally to change the party.

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