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Solene'% : What is going on in Nix community?

dataswamp.org Solene'% : What is going on in Nix community?

In this article, you will find a summary and links about the current crisis that the Nix community is going through

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Paying people to develop features or fixing bug is fine, but when a huge number of contributors are paid by companies, this lead to poor decisions and conflicts of interest.

I think this depends on the structure of the project though. The Linux kernel has a huge number of corporate contributors, but it seems to be doing ok.
- Yes, indeed.But the Linux kernel is just the kernel, small compared to a Linux distribution user land with a massive amount of packages to choose from.
Always sad when Capitalism/monetization creeps in and cripples/pollutes open and free movements/projects :-( There are many many examples of projects dying off, converting to proprietary, etc. Luckily people are forking and creating new FOSS software all the time. I'm going more and more full FOSS, de-google/meta/m$ and so on. I'm tired always spending time changing software/workflow because of monetization creep, I'm tired of closed drivers, telemetry/spying, bitcoin scams and all the other utter garbage the Capitalist religion brings in to my life.

I have chosen Guix as my new home partly for this reason. Here, the default is that if I doesn't compromise, I know that I won't suddenly see these yucky things creeping into my system. That gives me a safe space where I can plan/build long term without wasting my time fighting Capitalism and all the shit that automatically follows..

I hope the Nix community finds a solution.
- Does Guix have a Nix Home Manager + nixpkgs equivalent? I currently use them to install packages on other distros, but with nixpkgs maintainers leaving in droves, I'm looking for alternatives.
  
  Take a look at this Guix blog post. https://guix.gnu.org/en/blog/2022/keeping-ones-home-tidy/
- I have chosen Guix as my new home partly for this reason.
  
  I'd love to use guix instead of nix, the language is far better and the repl is incomparably more useful.
  
  But nix has 4x the packages, a third of guix packages are seriously out of date (last time I checked docker was behind even Debian), and those numbers are inflated by Emacs and lisp packages most people won't use. And that's before going into a serious lack of prebuilt bins causing you to leave large projects like firefox to compile over night, having to add additional repos to get nonfree packages, and essentially being forced to use Emacs for good UX.
  
  Even installing guixos on a laptop requires a special ISO and instructions from system crafters due to nonfree packages.
  
  Being Linux only is also hurting its applications for work, but that's not as relevant for personal use.
  
  Guix is still really far away from being a real alternative.
  
  Not really. You can use a standard ISO, and you need to authorize the nonguix substitute server. Just make sure to add your channels, that's it. It is kinda similar to net-based setup in a way, though.
- What a word salad. How do you know this won't happen to GUIX, oybissue NIX has is it got popular really fast for some reason.
  
  GUIX is a GNU Project. You know, Stallman et. al, the guy behind the FSF, or well… the GPL itself (GNU General Public License). If it happens with GUIX, Stallman would be the biggest troll in existence, and we’d have much larger problems to discuss about open source as a whole.
  
  Like someone else already wrote : GUIX is a GNU Project. If you look how very long it took for Debian to include non-free firmware with the installer (Since Debian Bookworm) one may start to appreciate the difference between free software and open source.
There's a relevant community post, NixOS is not dying, please don’t spread fear actively
Unrelated but curious, why do people say that nixpkgs is the largest package repo? Debian unstable has over 200k packages.
- They say that because https://repology.org/repositories/statistics/total says so. Debian unstable has 38k packages according to that page.
  
  Then that site is completely wrong. I'm not even sure where the 38k number comes from.
  
  If you go to https://packages.debian.org/stable/, at the bottom of each branch page (selectable from the top list) is a link to a txt list of all packages for that branch.
  
  If you run a quick wc -l through them you get 234k packages for sid (unstable), 130k for testing and 121k for bookworm (stable).
  
  The wierd thing is that's also what repology links to, but I don't understand what they parse to arrive at that number.
- It's based on the stats found here. https://repology.org/repositories/statistics/total

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