misandry vs misogyny
misandry vs misogyny
N.B. misandry is not real because men are not systemically oppressed (uninternalize your reddit MRA today: men suffer some drawbacks under the patriarchy but ultimately still maintain it due to the large amount of privileges they receive under it!)
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misandry is not real because men are not systemically oppressed
Structural misandry doesn't exist, but "misandry isn't real" is not something I'd agree with. It exists on an individual level. It's just not a real systemic issue.
There's definitely cases of structural misandry, it's just not as nearly as common as structural misogyny. There are fields of work where men are definitely discriminated against/less preferred. Divorce/child custody is historically slanted towards women, although that's downstream of historical misogynistic forces (women having trouble with employment, pay equity, etc) and it's become more equitable. I think you could make the argument that combat military service in some countries being restricted solely to men is a form of structural misandry.
Just to reiterate, I am not trying to do gender wars. I am gender Switzerland.
When you have a clear opressor side and a clear opressed side, you do not bothsides things, that's literally all lives matter tier shit. The points you are making are key talking points of manosphere chuds arguing against feminism, and that kind of shit is coming up on here over and over again, not only by one day old accounts, but by people who've been posting here for ages.
It would be fucking ridiculous how open to antifeminist, misogynist reasoning hexbear is if it wasn't so obnoxiously common even in leftist spaces. Don't be surprised when women are "misandrist", never trusting a man is a normal, necessary survival instinct for us.
The points I am making are the same points that Marxist feminists have been making about how patriarchy not only harms women but men since more or less the creation of Marxist feminism. Women never made the draft men only. Men did that.
I paraphrased things bell hooks was writing about 20-30 years ago in Feminism is for Everybody and The Will to Change...
I think you could make the argument that combat military service in some countries being restricted solely to men is a form of structural misandry.
yeah the disposability of men (and people the system thinks are men) is patriarchal misandry.
i imagine most of the dipshits complaining about misandry are trying to claim there's some form of it that doesn't come out of patriarchy. somehow.
It’s actually a form of misogyny because it comes from the idea that women can’t fight.
the draft, yes, but the disposability isn't only from that.
oh I read "combat" as "compulsory"
The idea of soldiers being disposable is actually just a natural result of nations that don’t care about human lives going to war
Idk to me it still makes more sense to frame it in the context of feminism internalized misogyny
it really seems my tomboy wife who was influenced by her dad to be a boy because he wanted a boy and thus she inititially hated women (they treated her badly growing up, continued to hate them and uhh say weird stuff like women are inherently manipulative when she is moreso really headstrong and act before you think) and when she hated men it wasn't for stuff you could not explain by sayinf they were chuds or cruddy.
Where as with most hatred towards women does seem to be poorly explained without the conception of a patriarchy or as women being considered or once considered property of men.
I also disagree with the idea it isn’t real at all, but only because it lets second-wave “feminist” transphobes off the hook for their gender essentialist beliefs to imply it doesn’t exist in any capacity. It is however not really real in any way that actually affects cis men.
But you already called it what it is: gender essentalism. There is nothing the word misandry does that is useful that isn't covered by essentalism.
Oh you’re absolutely correct, I just meant that the very specific idea of someone theoretically disliking men is real. Because like duh people believe many many things. It probably shouldn’t be called misandry, especially when said term takes attention away from the people the behavior actually harms.