The man went before Judge Cedric Simpson at Washtenaw County’s 14A District Court on May 15, charged with driving without a license. Upon joining via Zoom, the 44 year-old man appeared to be driving a vehicle.
Funny as it is, according to some of the comments he actually had had his license reinstated and the issue were with the court system not having updated documents.
I know in California, any activity that is distracting away lots of attention of the driver from driving, even if the activity is legal, normal, eating, fun, a minor emergency, etc... is considered a Moving Violation ticket.
Figuring out devices, heated phone calls (hands-free included), BJ's, applying make-up, eating, air drumming or head banging to music, passenger tantrums, looking at an accident or garage sale or other spectacle, reading, etc.
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Your last question...If for some reason a driver cannot handle a normal conversation during driving then it's a hazard.