If Xianjang is ‘cultural genocide’ according to the state dept leftists, wtf is this shit?
At the very least they should admit that China is doing a much better job at running deradicalization programs with actual funding and resources compared to this.
The West's idea of "deradicalization" for fundamentalist terrorists is to bomb their homes and send them to CIA blacksites to be tortured.
In cases where they arrest people at home, their "deradicalization" is just putting them in prison to abuse them and lecturing them on why they're bad. No actual effort is made in re-education.
Radicalization is deradicalization
They'd probably call this a "pacification" program.
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from this article: https://www.foreignexchanges.news/p/a-future-of-walls-or-liberation
posted here: https://hexbear.net/post/2753988
I'm still in the mindset that US is just pulling the "genocide" narrative because China isn't bombing the shit out Xinjiang like the Israelis do to Gaza but actually running an effective deradicalization program.
fuck the lady in the tweet for equivocating active ISIS ideologues and the general constellation of normal civilians that for one reason or another surrounded them. how many of the people in these camps just went from being exploited by ISIS to being exploited by amerikkka? the cnn banner says that this is families in general. are they terror babies becky?
this is the same bird-brained abuse of normal people that radicalized members of the Taliban and ISIS and pretty much every other Wahabist group ever.
terror babies
I think we all know exactly what they think about brown children.
Yes but have you considered trump would have (X+1) camps?
The actual solution to this is the Xinjiang model.
I partially wonder if the massive propaganda campaign against it was partly because the US don't want political pressure to adopt something that actually rehabilitates people. The ideology is a useful tool to unleash when it benefits them, ending it completely would therefore be viewed as detrimental to US interests.
any recommended reading on the Xinjiang model?
The best resource is this as it links to a shit tonne of resources throughout: https://www.qiaocollective.com/education/xinjiang
This piece written in 2019 (removed since) is the best short summary writeup: https://archive.is/q1dnh
If you want a super super tl;dr: The model is to improve people's lives, extremism feeds off of poverty and poor outlooks, improving infrastructure, teaching languages and skills, raising the standards of living, these things all function to remove the material conditions that allow radical extremist behaviour to foster. The model was marxist theory in purist essence - change the material conditions. Xinjiang went from having dozens and dozens of actually very serious attacks per year (gunmen attacking railway stations, bombings and that kind of thing) to nothing within the space of a few years starting with the initial crackdowns and surveillance followed by the education program and infrastructure. One thing that libs always miss out with the mandatory school centres which is the most controversial part of it all is that these things weren't prisons, it was mandatory attendance and sleeping over Mon-Fri, they were free to go home on weekends.
This is the kind of pointless evil that would be seen as heavy-handed in a work of fiction.
if china did this it would be hysteria
hell, its hysteria when china re-educates extremists and gives them trade skills, which as we all know is the worst thing you can do to a people
America doing a concentration camp is like in the Office where Michael Scott goes to improv and always has a gun.
I have to ask, why is this article posted? It's a top journalist at CNN. Why did the state dept allow access to the camp? Why now during an election year?
i think they're assuming that the lingering inertia from ISIS war propaganda will cancel out any humanitarian feelings this would enculture
i mean Guantanamo & Abu Graib are public record and the US public hasn't hanged anyone involved in either so what's the danger to the ruling class?
Democrats are getting hammered for being ineffective when responsible, if they lose the Presidency they get to keep their positions but don't have the responsibility to do anything as everything will Trump's fault, the Republicans' fault, or the voters' fault.
They're trying to lose
Big News Morgans has intercepted the airwaves.
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Limited hangout?
Yeah the full truth is probably much worse
They literally admit that they were limited to two relatively clean mass cells when they visited the "infamous" prison, a literal limited hangout.
The kind of people who care about this enough to no longer vote for Biden already weren't voting for Biden for doing the same thing but worse in Gaza.
Is this harm reduction? How can you be sure your doing harm reduction if you didn't even know something like THIS was happening?
This is the kind of stuff that happens whether a (D) or (R) is in office. I don't really believe in a "deep state" in the way that I think a cabal of weirdos get together to sacrifice goats and twiddle their moustaches, but this is the closest thing there is to a deep state. The Eric Princes of the world, the CIA, and so on are the actual project that this country is carrying out. It's been a generational project, and the politicians we get to see are begging for table scraps from the people that actually get the bag.
The phrase was originally coined to refer to all the career bureaucrats and functionaries that persist through administration after administration due to being "apolitical", actually materially enacting policies or serving as consultants and sources of information for formal leaders. So yes, that is literally what the "deep state" is and what it meant before it got appropriated and warped by weirdo reactionaries who needed a new word for "illuminati" after that got too commonly recognized as nonsense.
You don't have to know what the current administration is you can simply convince yourself any alternative would be inherently worse
More than half the population are children, the majority of whom are younger than twelve. Dozens of babies are born each month. All the residents are under indefinite detention, as no plans have apparently been made to prosecute any of them—imagine if Guantánamo were the size of a city, and its inmates were mostly women and children. The United Nations has called Al-Hol a “blight on the conscience of humanity.”
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Jihan met Da’ad, who was also from Homs. Her family, which was not linked to isis, had fled regime air strikes for Raqqa, then kept moving east to escape U.S. bombs. One day, she and her children travelled to visit her parents; they returned home to find that a coalition air strike had blown up their house. Seventeen people were killed, among them her husband and her in-laws. Now she lives in a tent with her daughters, including a nine-year-old who has a blood disorder and requires transfusions to stay alive. Transfusions are performed at a hospital outside the camp, but an emergency furlough from the authorities is maddeningly difficult to obtain, and Da’ad, who works at a grocery in the souk, can’t always afford the treatments. She has appealed to neighbors and to aid organizations in the camp, without success. “I can’t watch my child withering away in front of me day after day,” she said. “This is a prison, not a camp. I don’t know what crime my daughter committed.”
Local authorities did not comment on conditions in the camp. The U.S. State Department said in a statement that the “humanitarian needs at Al-Hol camp are vast and the international response is underfunded,” and noted that the U.S. is “committed to helping the international community address this shared security and humanitarian challenge.”
and noted that the U.S. is “committed to helping the international community address this shared security and humanitarian challenge.”
you're telling me the harm reduction guy didn't do something about this??
Pretty much the same thing as Abu Gharib and Guantanamo.
children weren't born and raised in abu ghraib and guantanamo
This is worse
i am actually going to go insane that they put a sentence about it being where all the women and children got imprisoned after isis right before claiming that it's where the ideology lives on.
PICK A GODDAMN LANE CNN HOLY FUCKING SHIT
I think they have picked a lane, and the lane seems to be "those women and children are isis, we're going to bomb them don't feel bad ok"
here the ideology of isis lives on
and as they're saying it they show footage of very young children throwing stones at their camera crew. real manufacturing consent hours. they're basically just priming their audience to think that yes, this might be an unfortunate situation, but it's a necessary one.
Why wouldn't it live on frankly, this systematic separation of children from their mothers is like one of the classic things that radical islamic groups claim is happening in the west, and which western states claim is pure propaganda and conspiracy theory.
It's also something the west claims is genocide when they accuse Russia of kidnapping Ukranian children.
vote
death to america
They're a suprise tool to expand Greater Israel later.
Anything but re-education. Wouldn't want to be like China. Those awful commies who re-educate extremists and put them through trade school. BUT AT WHAT COST?
Our amazing reeducation camps; their awful prisons.
Our reforming gulags; their slave labor work camps.
Our wonderful propagandists; their horrible mass media.
The massive privilege balls you need to have to stand in a concentration camp and tell the ppl there that they deserve it, is fucking cold blooded.
dude that 'training video' at around 3minutes is totally, absolutely 'real'
