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Matrix Foundation and Element proudly declaring their association with NATO

I've been moving myself and my friends and even clients to Element, but I recently came across blogs about them helping onboard German, US armed forces, and NATO. This is shared with pride everywhere. And Element also goes so far as to say that they "choose who they work with" and not just everyone. And how they don't work with governments sanctioned by the US, EU, and UK or governments that might "cause large scale harm" or something to that effect. But NATO is a harmless puppy I guess.

I'm so conflicted right now. This is both a rant post and an ask for advice and suggestions.

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  • First of all if it's open source and secure it doesn't matter who made it. The instruments of capital will bring about it's own destruction and all that.

    My problem with Matrix/Element is that it's shit. My online friends put up with it because they're privacy nerds but my IRL friend group all said that it's shit. They've mostly moved to WhatsApp and I can't blame them, because it works. Heck even some of those privacy nerds prefer to use the IRC that's bridged to our matrix chat.

    With Element, notifications hardly work, sending files doesn't consistently work, calls are definitely not reliable. And they do not bother to make a stable bug-free version, instead they focus on adding even more features for the next release. There's an issue from 2016 that's one of the most liked and requested features: multiple accounts. They closed the issue, and opened another one they can ignore. By now Element should be a stable piece of software and it's slow and horrible. And I say this as someone who hosts two separate matrix homeservers.

  • I think you should pick your fights. Matrix and Element are fully open source, which is already miles better than something like Meta’s suite of apps. Focus on improving people’s class consciousness and things naturally flow from there…

    • I have bad news, they are currently going through the process of closed source enclosure rather than fixing an important broken part of their software. Look up the Synapse Element drama. It's so bad

      I'm still gonna use Matrix via Matterbridge (it bridges everything check it out) because I like to diversify my options, but I'm not bug reporting their cruddy main client while they develop custom clients for NATO and other spooky organizations.

      This isn't about moralizing really, it's a question of whether it's worth trading convenience and access, and using up an amount of other people's EXTREMELY FINITE patience to get them to at least add redundancy for their main social network online by figuring out a new app. People really hate using Matrix. It feels slow, it often loses all your messages. I have never lost old messages with Delta Chat, it can use traditional email servers & accounts in many cases (check the list on their site), and the backup system is easy even if it's a little tucked into the UI.

      Matrix has repeatedly lost my older messages for seemingly no reason, on the same device and everything, and on top of that randomly will not let me use my backups. I use a password manager! I know I did not use the wrong password on them! I would rather just have XMPP or Delta Chat's device management than that haunted nightmare LOL. It's so laggy!!!!!! If you have like 3 voice messages or files on the screen it is visibly high latency. It is often high latency for seemingly no reason at all. It makes my phone hot and my computer chug. Some clients don't properly implement encryption!

      It takes too much energy to even describe what is wrong with Matrix! My patience has run out already

  • The Synapse drama is actually game over for Element/Matrix IMO. Move your friends to DeltaChat. It's not a pain in the ass, it's really snappy. XMPP is better for replacing the Matrix chatroom here for instance. I don't have the energy to explain the drama or why. Go to the main Delta Chat developer's fediverse page for more info

    I'm not sure how robust it is as I have used it little, but Movim (an XMPP social media service akin to ActivityPub) seems like a much better option than Mastodon, various blogging services, and most IM apps. Really easy to have encrypted social media and then have a publicly shareable link through it. Check it out

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