this is a continuation to my post 'where do you draw the line if you ponder quitting a job?'
manager is now 'helping' me find a position elsewhere, but I believe she dislikes me so much she wants me gone asap. Her friends have turned to silent treatment mode. Each day, she asks me if I've interviewed already. It's like she wants me to have a new job lined up before Christmas already.
it's starting to sink in that she doesn't want me, but I'm not so sure I want to quit:
I know it doesn't make any sense. As said, I dislike 30% of my coworkers and if I've already told management with my union representative present that as soon as I find something else I quit, I should be consequent and do that. I dislike getting up at 4:30 to get to work at 06:00, yet this is the kind of life I know, the routines I've grown to be used to, this gives me a feeling of security, even though I come here so often to rant and complain about my job and my coworkers.
Can you believe I'm thinking about politely asking this manager if we can work things out? I must really be bipolar.
I don't understand why I'm so incoherent. I'm the drama queen now.
I feel like a child who postured and lost.
Every crisis is an opportunity, people say, but even though I should think like this and boldly leave, I'm scared that my new position will be as bad or worse than the old one, the same drama, the same backstabbing and playing favorites. It would be really tiring to get out of the frying pan to get into the fire.
You need a different manager. Distancing yourself from the one you have doesn’t sound realistic: Their job is to not be distant.
I'm lost here: what is their job?
And, should I change?
I'm 38 years old, single, not interested in starting a family (my mother was a drama queen and I couldn't live that again with a partner or a child), don't own any property, not really a consumerist person, I max my 401k and save 70% of my net income because most of the stuff society tells me to buy is irrelevant to me (I still own clothes I bought 20 years ago and they still fit me), don't need a car and use a bike or public transportation, I prefer to cook at home because it's cheaper and I can choose what I cook. I stopped drinking alcohol 10 years ago. I'm definitively not an extrovert.
I majored in philosophy because I liked it and I still do, but never found a job with my major. I tried being a high school teacher, but teenagers are way too much for me. Nursing, what I do now, is a versatile and safer job, even if I think it's slowly killing me.
I feel cheated in life.
For 15 years I lived paycheck to paycheck paying off my debt, often having to move due to increased rent so this might be my way of coping with trauma. I still feel I'm way behind most people my age. I feel like a loser because I imagine them knowing better than me what they want in life.
It's true that comparison is the thief of joy, but I cannot stop ruminating about this.
If you read my post history you'll realize I don't really care about my job, but stay because I need a paycheck and I like having a big rainy day fund. If I was a millionaire, I'd stop working. I don't like any job.
It might be true that I'm autistic, because close human connections where never that important to me and most people I work with are not close to me, but as I'm nearing 40 I'm starting to think if my destiny is going to be to live and die alone in a nursing home. Sometimes this scares me, but I always go back to my apathetic, indifferent self, like I'm on some kind of drug that makes me not feel anything, neither good or bad, like my emotional brain is underdeveloped.
What I don't want to be is this desperate loner craving for any kind of human attention turning to post his whole life online hoping a good Samaritan comes and saves me. First because it's pathetic and secondly because that's never a good foundation to build a friendship, I'd be inviting a predator, another crazy loner, a newborn Christian to save me with god, somebody trying to scam me with a MLM scheme or an antivaxer into my life. And I'm not a 20 year old discovering the world, I'm almost 40.
Every woman I've been attracted to has ignored me and every woman that showed an interest in me wasn't good enough to me: she could be eager to make a connection, put an interest, even pretty and genuine but I cannot fake being in love or feeling attraction. I always ended up considering them as friends or acquaintances. I'm too old and too introverted (autistic?) to visit a club and try to impress a woman to go out with me.
I don't think this is depression, depression would be me not going to work not even calling in sick.
It seems clear I need a friend, but I don't know how to make friends anymore. I focused so much on surviving that I stopped caring about anyone else.
I'm very confused about quitting my current position as a nurse. This is not a typical one man job, but you need a team. I'm pondering staying for some members of the team:
I get along with 40% of the staff, 30% of staff are absolute slackers who master the social game and get away doing way less than the rest and go smoking with my manager, who enjoys and needs the attention. I'm indifferent to the other 30%, who also work well.
I know I may not sound like a reliable narrator, it's just that I don't want to get anywhere near this 30% of lazy, childish, gossip staff.
I had a meeting with management with my union representative present. Long story short, I told management as soon as I find a new job within the same hospital system, I'd stop working at my current unit with my manager. She forgives the ones she likes and treats me differently, I'm not likable and being forced to give attention to people I'm indifferent to is very tiring. I'm there to work, she seems to expect I give her attention and stop doing my job to ask about her weekend. Not gonna happen.
Day 1 post meeting: manager and all her friends ignore me, go somewhere else when I enter the room.
Day 3 post meeting: friendly call from manager asking if I can come in on a free day, cause somebody called in sick.
Every other interaction with my manager since day 3 has been friendly, which is something new.
I have no problem working with people who understand they're at a workplace to work, because we all need the money and want to go home afterwards, it's the lazy ones that sit, talk and then expect me to do their job the ones I hate with a burning passion.
Since the meeting I've decided to use my current unit to learn as much as I can before I (possibly?) leave. Not because I suddenly feel this is a calling, but because the more I know about my field, the easier is gonna be to find a new job, either within my system or in a new one. I've also discovered I like explaining patients what happens to their bodies after their operation and how medicines work.
But I don't dislike the whole unit, I just want to keep my manager at a distance and don't work with that 30% of slackers.
Most of my co-workers don’t like me. My boss doesn’t even like me.
if your boss makes clear he doesn't like you, why are you still working there and why don't you have plans to quit?
I mean I don't understand why this is not a reason good enough to start looking for employment elsewhere. Don't you find it tiring? don't your coworkers and boss wear you down?
If my boss makes clear he doesn't like me it's only a matter of time before he starts treating me differently, giving me the worse assignments, refusing to acknowledge me...
This would affect me to the point of starting to hate that person.
It's wearing me down.
Due to reasons I'm a nurse.
Possibly not the best choice for an introvert who wants to work and go home, but it is what it is.
I had a conversation with management and they told me I don't open up, which is fair and true and told me to be more empathetic with my coworkers.
Except that I can't and I don't care about most of them. As said, I just want to work and go home. I consider most of them childish, gossipy and immature. Of course I didn't tell management this.
I told them an extrovert is not who I am, if you force me to open up, I cannot disconnect during my pause and I'm going to work worse. I like doing my pause only when I've done my job whereas my other coworkers do their pause sooner, no matter if patients are cared for, which I don't understand but whatever. Some people including my manager think I do that to avoid them. No, I just want to do my job before I relax. And I relax alone.
They believe this is a choice. When my coworkers talk and talk, they overload me and I just want to work and go home.
I'm constantly misunderstood. My job shouldn't be to give attention to my coworkers or to management, yet here I am.
I'm applying for jobs elsewhere but I'm afraid I'm going to have this problem wherever I go, simply because most people in nursing are gossips and enjoy attention. This is what I fear the most, having to constantly change workplaces due to perceived slights and office theatrics I don't want to play and I'm so not good at playing.
Masking up and creating a workplace bubbly persona would destroy my mental health. Too much overload.
I'm not in a position where I can study something else, cause nothing interests me that much and I need money now.
Ideally I'd find a workplace that respects who I am without incurring a heavy financial penalty, but don't know what nursing option would give me that.
What I also don't want to do is to create a job interview persona, because sooner or later the real me will surface, a person extroverts don't want to work with. I'd like to go to a job interview telling them exactly this, that I'm not there to socialize but to work and go home and that I want to do my job but this doesn't mean I'm letting them exploit me (giving me a bigger workload than to other nurses for example).
I want to come clean to any future employer about this. Should I?
and what for?
I don't understand the theatrics involved and being brutally honest, once I've decided a workplace is not a good fit I don't give a f*ck about it and put all my energies into transitioning to the new job.
Even if I may find the same sh*t at my new workplace, things cannot stand as they are now and I have to move on. I have to leave.
I don't believe any rational person would act differently.
People happy with their jobs don't go job hunting or interviewing. It's always the unhappy ones, the unfulfilled ones the ones that yearn for change, for something different the ones looking. It could be your micromanaging manager, it could be coworkers playing favorites or doing several 20 minute smoking pauses plus their regular 30 minute one...
Why pretend everything's sweet and dandy at the current workplace? It's ridiculous.
I'm now at a situation were I don't care about burning bridges and calling a spade a spade if they ask why I'm leaving (my coworkers are petty, childish, lazy, don't see that I'm constantly working while they talk about stupid issues and still need my help to finish their job), I work more than them and they still have an attitude with me.
If I leave my current workplace, chances are I won't come back nor work with my coworkers in the future. And even if I had to work with any of them in the future, why would I want to suffer that again? I'd reject that offer.
I value being sincere and while I could play the stupid game and claim I'll call them or hope our paths cross again (dear god, no) fully knowing that's a lie, I'd rather be direct and leave no looking back.
Even if you play theatrics because you think it's the only way to survive because you need the money, doesn't that mess with your mind, constantly having to suffer people you despise? I couldn't do it. My mental health is more important than playing stupid games (just my 0.02$).
so I'm a nurse and today was my 5th day on a row and I don't understand why my legs hurt. I didn't work harder today than other days, nor did I have to work with fat patients. I just had to walk a lot, but not much more than other days.
On my free time I like jogging and doing yoga, and right after I feel how my legs are looser and more relaxed. I however cannot go jogging every day. Today was my second day on a row not jogging.
Can this be the reason I'm in pain?
If running before my shifts actually helps me not to have pain after my shifts, how can that be? I'm basically using the same muscles.
most of the nurses I work with, I don't care about them, but there are five that for whatever reason took an interest to teach me several little tricks that make my job run smoother.
Before I leave the unit and hospital, I'd like to give each one of them a small token of appreciation.
All of them are women, 2 of them are married, this is in no way whatsoever romantic.
i was thinking pastries but not for the whole unit, but for each of them.
Another option would be a flower for each one of them.
I don't know them that well personally, because I'm on the introverted side and like to separate my private life from my workplace.
cross-posted from: https://linux.community/post/1769411
> and, are there specialties that require more dedication than others?
and, are there specialties that require more dedication than others?
yet another post about the expletive I used at the workplace (the word fuck).
I asked my union representative who, among other things, suggested to explain to the coworker why I used the word, but so far I haven't worked with her again. To me, using that word while working means nothing, but I can change my behavior around some coworkers if they find the word so offensive.
As I was sitting working my manager came to me, not asking but demanding I explain myself for using the word. She didn't ask for my side of the story, which is the reason why I want a union representative present, because otherwise my manager will start yelling and won't let me speak, and I still don't know how many times she claims I used that word, if I yelled or if I told anyone to eff off.
First words out of my mouth: I'm not going to talk about this without a union representative present.
She kept pushing it, and I kept repeating my position. We repeated our sentences four times. Then she said she would inform HR, I simply said they can come, so we all four conduct the meeting.
Just as I thought we were going to agree on a time and place for a meeting, she leaves.
I asked: Aren't we going to agree on a time and place to conduct the meeting?
Her answer: you can do that yourself.
I contacted my union representative who told me his available time slots for the next 3 weeks.
Since then I've been transferred to another unit (worse one) and another unit within the same system and city has offered me a job, starting in March 2025.
I still don't understand why my manager left so abruptly and the transfer feels like retaliation, but she is well within her rights to do that.
I guess I'm well within my rights to quit the unit, but the whole situation feels strange.
I also feel my manager is playing power games: It's me the one who has to ask for a meeting with her and HR, it's me the one who has to state a reason good enough for the meeting to take place.
I feel she thought she could corner me and wasn't expecting me to have contacted the union.
When people yell at me I either yell back, go away or tell the other party to wait for a meeting with somebody I trust, like a union representative.
Even if you believe I've been an idiot for saying that word at the workplace, at least you'll agree this is a learning experience. Be professional at the workplace, coworkers are not your friends, be good at what you do.
If I quit, this episode is not the only reason why, but the straw that broke the camel's back.
What would you do?
followed with 'I wasn't aware is so important to you. I didn't want to insult you and if you felt so, I apologize. The word fuck is one I use very often, but I'll try to control myself around you'
Note I didn't insult the coworker (no fuck you or fuck off), but simply said 'fuck' out loud due to a job error.
There’s something seriously off about this story, and I can’t help but think you’ve left out some significant details.
not really, but feel free to think what you want.
I’m guessing you cursed out a coworker and not for the first time.
Not what happened.
there's a difference between cursing the poor work done by a coworker and cursing a person that was there and wasn't responsible for the dressing.
I don't understand why you choose not to see the difference.
title may sound funny to you, but I couldn't come with a better one.
I work in nursing, which is 95% female operated and at my unit they behave like the borg:
due to a sloppy wound job by another nurse I exclaimed 'fuck', which offended a female coworker.
First she told me I'm not allowed to use that word but then started to tell her friends with her phone. The next day I have several female coworkers aggressively confronting me about said word, yelling me not to use it, but they do it while I'm giving report. They don't listen to it, play with their phones and then explode yelling at me.
I yelled back 'let me work' 5 times, but they kept yelling about the word 'fuck'. At that point I simply read my report out loud and left the unit.
Notice that I did give report, so nobody can accuse me of patient abandonment.
It has never happened to me that so many women banded together to mob me, not at a workplace. I always expected people to be rational, to ask the accused part for his side of the story, but these women chose to believe their friend, another woman, and won't even ask me why and under what circumstances I used the expletive.
They act like I told this colleague to fuck off instead of simply exclaiming fuck.
I'll contact the union with my side of the story.
My main question is: how do I react each time a female colleague accuses me of being dangerous and repeats what their friend said, not even asking for my side of the story?
I still don't know how saying, not even yelling 'fuck' due to a poor wound dressing can trigger so many women.
lucky you
this is what scares me the most, because I need the money.
profane language is the word 'fuck'.
this is not yelling 'fuck' at the top of your lungs, but more like 'aah, fuck', meaning why do things have to be this complicated? or, why didn't coworker X did his job as he was supposed to? Why is this documentation not in order?
Have you ever been fired over this? reprimanded at work?
I use 'fuck' a lot, not to intimidate anyone, but each time something bothers me, I could as well use 'come on!!' but 'fuck' comes to me more naturally.
If I get a written warning, is this a reason good enough to start looking for employment elsewhere?
To those of you not in America. Is it different where you are?
This is going to be a long post involving old supervisor, new supervisor and manager.
I'm a nurse working in a hospital, cardiology.
I already know I'm not going to do this job for the rest of my life, it should be obvious why but if you don't know, it's a hard job and we get insulted, smacked, hit and spit. And no, this is not a calling, it's an effing job.
I'm looking for a way out, but I don't want to waste my bachelor. My hospital system is the best paying one in a 50 mile radius and I don't want to relocate. I'm union and applying for internal positions.
Four months ago I applied for several no bedside job positions in research. Most of this departments ignored me, only one wrote a rejection letter (at least I got something).
To increase my chances, the union advised me to add a performance review from my old supervisor, except that I never had one with him, so I asked this old supervisor to conduct one with me.
What I got was a bad review, but here's the catch: this review wasn't conducted with me present, I wasn't asked to meet with the old or the new supervisor, I was handed a 2 page document with several items graded A to F and most of them were Ds, but no explanation whatsoever, no examples of any kind, just Ds. This review was signed by old supervisor and somebody else I don’t recognize. Union told me this document is not enforceable, to ignore it and to never sign it.
There are union members and union members: we got the ones who get that a job is a job and we all have lives and others convinced you have to do free overtime, because otherwise you’re lazy and an unworthy nurse. It took me 8 weeks of asking till I found a competent one who belongs to the first group. This person is now advising me and is the one who's going to be present when a new performance review with me is conducted, so new supervisor and manager don't try something funny this time. I already sent the email to the union and management and I'm waiting for an answer to conduct the meeting.
One of the open positions in research I applied to was in cardiology, where I work. Neat! I thought: I know the field, I know the manager, I already work there, so I should be an obvious candidate. I sent the application, explaining that at the time I cannot show a performance review (this was before I got the bad review conducted without me).
I never got an answer. 4 months after the fact, the manager has completely ignored me, which means he doesn't want to offer me this job. Fine, but why didn’t he write an answer? Don’t I at least deserve that?
There are several things that are rubbing me the wrong way:
The day after I sent this application, new supervisor came to me exasperated and asked me point blank: do you want to work here? I was surprised and meekly replied: uuh.. yes. 'I can see that' replied she ironically. I didn’t know how to react to that, but she didn’t push it.
2 weeks after that, old supervisor came unannounced to my unit because she wanted to talk to me. I didn't think anything odd about it, but I wasn't ready for the list of accusations she had against me: I come in late (it's known why I do this and the union was informed months in advance), I sleep on the floor (during my pause, after I make sure patients are taken care of and somebody else covers for me) and that I don't look happy (wtf??). Why is this person trying to scare me?
At the end of this conversation she said: 'I know you better than you think'. How am I supposed to interpret that? To me it sounded like a menace, but I think she meant she knows I’m applying for non bedside jobs and that somebody showed her my application form and my CV, which to me means somebody disclosed personal information about me to somebody who shouldn’t have read it. It doesn’t sound that far fetched if you consider how my new supervisor reacted the day after I sent my application for research.
These 2 episodes make me think both supervisors and manager talked among themselves and decided I’m more useful to them working bedside than researching but at the same time decided not telling me about it. They’re friends and to me, they behave like a mafia.
From a manager’s point of view makes perfect sense: If I quit bedside, this is a position they have to fill, this is a new nurse they have to show how to work at the unit and I already now how the unit and adjacent units work, nobody want’s to do nursing (for obvious reasons) and the last 2 nurses they brought in quit after one day, not even knowing the basics of nursing.
I want to quit, even if I have to keep working bedside at another department, because I feel disrespected, not taken seriously and they believe if they don’t answer my questions I’ll eventually forget about it, won’t make waves and accept working bedside at their unit. I feel there are things they know they are not telling me, which to me equals lying and manipulating. They treat me like an idiot and it makes me so angry I want to confront them, when we conduct the performance review, but they’re banded together and they’ll never admit it. It hurts even more because I used to be very close and open with my old supervisor. Now I feel she is using it against me and each time she was friendly she was fishing for information.
So I don’t know what to do. I want to get even.
It gets more complicated: the unit where I work at has many informal perks: when our patients leave, we get to eat their food, patients tip us and with that money we buy food for every nurse. Technically it’s not allowed, but everybody at the unit does it, including new and old supervisor, there is always milk, juice and tea it feels like a free drinks buffet (it’s brought in for the patients but most of them don’t drink that much, so most of the times is the nurses that drink it, technically stealing, but as said, both supervisors and every nurse do it). Some days I don’t have to cook at home, because I already ate at work for free, saving a considerable amount of time and money. If I go to another unit, I won’t have these perks. Even if I get a research position, I won’t have these perks.
There is also the fear of not knowing how the new work is going to be, I could regret it.
I don’t know what to do.
last 2 times I flew I didn't check in online and when they printed my boarding pass at the airport they put me on the seats next to the wing exits. Does every airline do this?
I live on the 14th floor of a 30 story apartment building and so far, I've been bleeding my radiators myself.
This usually worked and after bleeding I had a fully functioning radiator, 100% filled with water.
However, last time I tried bleeding, it would only fill up to 25% of its volume, it's like there's no pressure in the circuit.
Am I doing something wrong?
why are you so easy to trigger?
I'm a nurse and oversaw a doctor checking his bank statements: his salary is a bit more than twice what I earn.
This is not a particularly productive doctor, if you listen to several doctors and nurses where I work at. Just today I overheard a group of 3 female doctors ranting about him and how all he does is sitting and playing with his phone, always redirecting us nurses to talk to the other doctors. I was surprised, because I never expected to find so much drama between doctors, them being much more educated than nurses and I never expected doctors, specially female doctors, to use that kind of language.
This lazy doctor earns more than double my salary. It's depressing.
But I also feel like a loser, because even those ranting doctors earn more than twice what I do... and they get to sit for longer than I do.
Regretting my life choices.
Maybe the sane choice here would be to study or to get a certification that means a higher salary?
is it poorer? richer? better? worse? Is European internet cheaper? are EU food prices outrageous? Is European healthcare better? Is Europe safer?
I'm a unionized nurse and basically I'm on an unenforceable PIP because management simply wrote what I, according to them, do wrong and gave me the filled form, but without conducting an interview with me, the union wasn't contacted and they even didn't ask me to sign it. Union already told me this is not enforceable.
There are union representatives and union representatives: the one who feels a job is a job told me to calm down and keep applying for jobs elsewhere if I so decide, not asking for a 2 month 'reprieve' to be better at a job most days I don't want to do anymore (working bedside with difficult patients).
The other union representative who still considers nursing a calling but works with compliant patients (pediatrics), told me the hospital can fire me if I don't ask for a meeting with management to ask how I can be better and that only after being better I should apply for jobs elsewhere (which I call BS).
I'm still undecided about how to play this, but I sure want to quit bedside. If playing theatrics and pretending I have an interest in becoming a person they consider a better nurse helps me quit this job, even if the PIP is unenforceable, I'm playing this game.
Except that my first impulse to the question if I like my job would be a 5 minute rant about non compliant patients, stupid family members working against you, people calling for you to refill their water when they can walk, being blamed for things I cannot control, bad ratios, having to get up at 04:00 to get to work, having to work nights, listening to my coworkers talk about their holidays in the middle of report, drama...
So, how do I become a better liar to the tune of: I want to keep working here, I like what I do, I like seeing patients leave healthy and independent to live their lives... until I find a job I like more?
I enjoyed reading your post, but Im the laziest sob to ever walk on earth and while I can promise to pay attention, I don't believe I'm gonna follow through.
do you have any advice for me, now that I'm applying and might work elsewhere? Is there anything I could ask during interviewing to indicate I loathe drama, people full of themselves talking politics or conspiracies or openly discussing how vaginas look like?
yes, a very beautiful post.
Lost_My_Mind: how do you do it? Because apparently I'm very thin skinned and overly political statements my coworkers blurt out trigger me or their boring marriage troubles bore me and I find myself trying to control me not to yell 'I don't give a f*ck about you, leave me alone', which of course earns me an invitation with management...
I assume that's an old pillowcase?
because he engages, won't disengage and I don't know how to politely tell him to piss off.
I don't want drama and people like this have a tendency for that.
nobody forces you to read em
I’ve worked in jobs with plenty of downtime, but have never worked in one where I could just wander off to exercise or read a book openly. I was expected to be finding things to do or to at least appear busy and engaged.
good point, this changes the calculus
The only thing that maintains sanity is having something to do to distract yourself
I don't see why reading or writing poetry don't accomplish that
I don't know if you're complaining but if you are, I don't understand you. I want to be you.
earning money doing almost nothing is meaningless? You earn money for doing nothing! and you cannot be fired, so...
do these jobs you got later pay you better?
thank you for your detailed post and the off topic bits, helpful as well
right, 2014 mbp, 11.1, 8 GB RAM
thank you very much for your helpful post
calm down
You could use a “modified” version of macOS
where do I get it?