Originally coined as "invcel" around 1997 by a queer Canadian female student known as Alana, the spelling had shifted to "incel" by 1999
Originally coined as "invcel" around 1997 by a queer Canadian female student known as Alana, the spelling had shifted to "incel" by 1999
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That's because the shift between the V sound and the S sound is very awkward. When that kind of shift is awkward, dropping one of the sounds entirely (usually the first one) is common.
- Salmon (although there are pockets of people who still pronounce the "l")
- Receipt
- Schedule (was originally pronounced with a "s-ch" combination, now is "sk" in America and "sh" in the UK)
There's plenty of common English words that have also changed spelling to go along with that pronunciation, though I can't recall any at the moment.
Edit: Thought of one: Donut. Yes, the "old-timey" spelling was "doughnut," and is still found in relatively common use. Long ago that "gh" in there was pronounced like a "phlegmmy 'h'." As that sound fell out of use, it eventually fell completely out of the word "donut."
You mean to tell me we were supposed to pronounce the "p" in receipt?
Long ago, yes.
I really hope your wife is named Caramel.
In the UK it is pronounced ca-ra-mel.
But would that be pronounced care-a-mell or car-mall?
Care-mel obviously.
Salmon (although there are pockets of people who still pronounce the “l”)
See, this is a weird one, because I don't know anybody who pronounces the "L" here, but calm, balm, or psalm you would.
Some people make up an L in "both" and pronounce it "bolth". Like an ass.
Or an r in wash. Warsh, or Warshington.
Psalm, yes. But "calm" or "balm" are actually pronounced more like "caam" or "baam" in many situations.
Like psaam.
That’s because the shift between the V sound and the S sound is very awkward.
So you're telling me the original Invcel term couldn't get anyone to accept it?
Isn't that the ultimate irony?
Wait... What? I'm not supposed to pronounce the l in salmon?
Or folk, or yolk
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So basically L before consonants is generally mute?
I wouldn't say so - I can think of several counter examples off the top of my head: mold, wild, kiln
It's generally only l before m, and b after m. So no l sound in salmon or calm, but there is in solve. Oddly, there's no l sound in salve. Likewise, there is no trailing b sound in bomb, dumb, or lamb. Of course, it's important to remember this is English, where the exceptions outnumber the rules, which is expected when you mash three languages together with a sprinkling of the rest of the languages.
You can pronounce the L in both of those cases, and many people do.
I think it depends on the person/region you live in. The "l" in salmon was probably originally intended to b pronounced, but linguistic shift has dropped the "l" in some areas.
The last one is like you took the word chess and put it in a blender. S-chematic, s-chtick, s-cheme, s-cholar...
It's not as simple as shedule in the UK, skedule in the US. For example, in my part of the UK it's pronounced skedule too
Pronouncing schedule like s-chedule is really fun. Not sure I know of any English words that have those two phonemes next to each other