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First off, this isn't a secret, and it's not new.

This is just more of the same, the press going the extra mile to give reach-around cover and misdirection for the failed policies of the current administration, or rather, their actual policies, which have lead us to where we are.
- You are incredibly misinformed if you believe the conflict in the Middle East is caused by the Biden administration. No matter who is the president, the US will always support Israel. Trump is loves to pretend he will fix something to get votes because his pocket book depends on being president.
  
  I'm not informed...?
  
  No US president in history, from either party, has been this hands-off with Israel. Period.
  
  And I didn't say war, I said situation, as in the nonstop spiraling of events, without as much as a waiver in US support: diplomatically, militarily, or financially.
  
  The fact that you don't know that, shows it's not me who is misinformed.
  
  Maybe you are under informed. The Abraham Accords and the moving of the US embassy were escalations in this conflict.
  
  Wait, so you're saying that US culpability in this conflict starts, and ends, with the Trump administration...?
  
  Again, I don't think it's me who's under informed on this issue.....
  
  No one said it was Trump. The US has been giving financial aid to Israel for over 50 years. You are misinformed because you believe Trump will fix it. News flash he was already president and he didn’t fix shit.
  
  ....what? You just said Abraham accords are the reason for this conflict... That's the same as saying Trump is to blame....
  
  And just because I'm rightfully assigning blame to Biden, the current sitting US president and self-proclaimed biggest support of Israel, doesn't mean I support Trump.
  
  Feel free to creep on all of my comment history, my political leanings should be pretty self-evident.
  
  Don't you feel gross telling people that if they say Biden's policies have allowed the situation to get out of control, it means they support Trump?
  
  I mean, you do understand that ultimately Israel is our client state and entirely dependent upon our aid for their survival, right?
  
  They literally could not be prosecuting this war if we stopped shipping them weapons, and they would never have attacked Iran if we didn't have our CSG and accompanying missile destroyers sitting in between them.
  
  Me: post factual events
  
  You:
  
  Wait, so you’re saying that US culpability in this conflict starts, and ends, with the Trump administration…?
  
  Me: Who are you arguing with here? It isn't me.
  
  …what? You just said Abraham accords are the reason for this conflict…
  
  I said they were escalations in the conflict
  
  Not saying that the situation is good.
  
  Only one candidate is going to make this worse for Palestine, as a political favor. Recognition of the annexed West Bank.
  
  https://forward.com/fast-forward/618034/miriam-adelson-funding-trump-israel/
  
  I'm sorry, I don't understand how that absolves the current US administration of responsibility for their own policies and actions?
  
  You're doing whataboutism to support an ongoing genocide.
  
  Anyone who claims that calling out Biden for his support of Israel in prosecuting this genocide, somehow either means they're Trump voter, or are helping Trump get elected, are truly sick and deranged individuals.
  
  Because the unsaid part of that, the quiet part not being said out loud, is that the right thing to do is to either stay silent, or lie, about a fucking genocide.
  
  What an incredibly sick and perverse way to view politics.
  
  It's cool how you misunderstand people here and then concluded they are sick in the mind. That's totally healthy behavior.
  
  Again, I'm not the one who lacks understandings of the historical and political context of the region, or conflict.
  
  Just to be clear, your support of genocide is definitely a normal and healthy behavior, and a sign of good moral character.
  
  Did I call you a Trump voter?
  
  Is Biden running for reelection?
  
  So you honestly think that Israel thinks that they're the client state?
  
  AIPAC owns the majority of the House and Senate.
  Even if Biden stopped aid, there's enough votes to override the veto.
  
  Think critically and not with regurgitated talking points.
  
  Here's an article from 12 years ago that is still relevant:
  
  https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/03/america-israel-aipac-and-iran-the-client-state-factor/254103/
  
  No, you just did whataboutism.
  
  Which is why I separated my other commentary, and addressed it in general, and not directly at you.
  
  Because while it's related to your comment, you hadn't crossed that bridge yet, but there's no shortage of that in these comments, read up and down.
  
  Israel knows their client state, including the IDF and political leadership. Do you even read Israeli newspapers regularly?
  
  I'm well aware of AIPAC, and the extent of their lobbying and influence operations.
  
  None of that has anything to do with what I've been talking about.
  
  Point the rest of us to where anyone in this thread said that Trump's actions started the Israel conflict rather than just escalating what was already going on.
  
  Maybe you are under informed. The Abraham Accords and the moving of the US embassy were escalations in this conflict.
  
  It's like three or four comments up, did you even look?
  
  Or does your extensive knowledge of Middle Eastern history not extend back that far?
  
  In case you're still confused, both of those actions were taken by the Trump administration, and it was the sole content of that comment.
  
  Bruh. You seem to have not read my comment or the one you just quoted. The quote is not claiming that Trump started the conflict. That quote is stating that he escalated it. Try again, but make sure you look up the difference between "start" and "escalate" before you do.
  
  You're not big on reading comprehension, or context, are you? Maybe you should read the comments that preceded it, and then reread that comment, and then reevaluate, well, everything you just said.
  
  I wrote:
  
  Maybe you are under informed. The Abraham Accords and the moving of the US embassy were escalations in this conflict.
  
  Are you seriously claiming I said Trump started the conflict? What does the word "escalation" mean to you?
  
  Do you not understand that you cited only two events, and both of them occurred during the Trump administration....?
  
  I'm actually at a loss for words, because if you don't grasp how your comment is explicitly stating Trump is to blame, I don't know what else to tell you.
  
  Dude, we're talking about whether Biden is to blame. Please keep up.

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