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Shouldn't have supported the genocide of Palestinians, huh?
can you actually shut the fuck up right now. women and minorities have there lives on the line and all y'all can talk about is this. if kamala wins we can protest her stance. if trump wins and we protest his stance he's already said he'll deploy the national guard. y'all are so smug about ruining your chances of helping these people
Maybe you shouldn't have supported genocide.
Never again means never again for anyone. Remember what you sold your soul for and try to redeem it.
Trump is gonna triple-down on the Palestinian genocide and pull all support from Ukraine and probably pull out of NATO to let Putin do whatever he wants to Europe.
He's also promised violence against Americans who oppose him.
You're replying to a lemmy.ml user, they almost certainly think pulling out of NATO and allowing Putin to continue his genocide in Ukraine is a good thing.
The Biden-Harris regime already tripled down on the genocide as much as is possible.
Re: Ukraine, forcing a diplomatic resolution is by far the best option for the Ukrainian people and any realistic person's expectations of outcomes. Let's hope they are no longer the pawns of American maximalist foreign policy.
Re: NATO, the best possible timeline is one where it ends as soon as possible.
Re: violence against Americans guess what we're already there if you do anything worthwhile politically.
If Trump wins because enough of you idiots couldn't hold your nose and vote then the blood of those Palestinians is on your hands. You don't get to absolve yourself because you chose not to participate in democracy.
You aren't opposed to genocide because you couldn't be assed to do the smallest thing to mitigate it.
Neither did you. Lol. Kamala was never gonna change her stance.
Is trump going to do anything different though?
Former President Donald Trump declared Tuesday that Israel must “finish the problem” in its war against Hamas
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-israel-gaza-finish-problem-rcna141905
If the above is true, I don't know why anyone would bring his up. It's like choosing between two seats on a bus. One has broken glass on it, the other has broken glass and is on fire.
Is trump going to do anything different though?
Given that the policy is already maximalist, he cannot do worse. This is what liberals have tolerated for over a year.
If the above is true, I don’t know why anyone would bring his up. It’s like choosing between two seats on a bus. One has broken glass on it, the other has broken glass and is on fire.
They are both on fire, but one is honest about it. Maybe you will actually oppose genocide now that the orange man will be in charge.
If you think selling weapons is a maximalist policy, you are very naive.
If you think that's all the US does, you are very naive.
I'm not sure you understood. The fire is all of the other nonsense policies that trump comes up with, and that his party is likely to impose.
How do you know they support genocide? A lot of american voters are voting against Trump, not for this year's insincere Wall Street spokesperson.
On the other hand, I know someone who should feel guilty about the fate of Palestinians starting January...
The IDF thanks you for your service!
Straight up fantasising death of innocents because your candidate lost. Obama, biden all of these guys were saints that maintained peace and never hurt any innocents.
Not an american citizen, leftist (so not interested in the democratic party). Try again!
Only a troll would think by reading my messages that I view the death of Palestinians as a good thing. Again, try harder. You tankies are not fooling anyone.
I'm well aware about the friendship between Israel and the democratic establishment. But I also believe the Cheeto guy when he says he's going to make it worse, because I'm not an idiot.
What's a tankie? I'm no American either. I just dislike the "lesser evil" is better narrative in lemmy. It's not any better. I know trump may make it worse? But what does worse mean? White phosphorus is not worse? Killing peace keepers and journalists not worse? Maybe shooting kids point blank in the head is not worse. Define worse please.
It doesn't matter what you stand for but your comment clearly reflects that you want it to happen, just to prove your point. Go to hell.
My condemnation of the IDF is clear to anyone with a modicum of reading comprehension. You shouldn't have skipped class when you were a kid 😆
And what's worse is, IDK, total eradication of Gazans? Trump did say he doesn't believe in a two state solution, and that he wanted a quick end to the war, knowing full well that there aren't 100 ways Israel can get the "win" he wants Israel to get.
If you actually cared about Palestine, you wouldn't regurgitate propaganda for someone who wants a win for Israel. You'd want the US president to use his country's resource to make Israel stop its invasion immediately, without going for a "win".
While you pretend to care for Gazans, they keep dying to the hands of Israeli soldiers. And it's not just Palestinians anymore (cf Lebanon, among others). Please stop using them as a talking point.
And, since I know tankie's stance on LGBT rights and feminism is also insincere, I'd like to remind everyone else (because they don't actually give a shit) that women and trans people are now in danger in the US on top of all that.
Nowhere in my previous comments did I supported trump. I'm not an american. Do you have reading comprehension? Also idk where your condemnation of idf is, do you expect me to scroll through all your comments to find out? I saw you fantasising Palestinians deaths in 3 separate threads, that's why I replied. Weirdo.
Don't tell me what to speak and what not to. Buddy you say you aren't American but looks like you lost a couple of bolts after the news. I still don't know what tankie means, but I would appreciate if you don't reply to me genocidal freak.
I wouldn't have guessed scrolling two messages above was beyond you!
And if you don't support Trump, maybe stop batting for commenters that regurgitate his propaganda. Their comments were moderated for a reason, bud.
Don't bother replying, I know you're acting in bad faith. Was your main account from .ml banned? It must be annoying to see someone not letting you have it your way, and credibly calling out your bullshit.
How do you know they support genocide?
Because of the tenor of their comment clearly shows a tolerance for it via an investment in a genocide candidate.
Ah, yes, the fine tankie minds literally going off vibes again 👍
Nobody's "souls" matter anymore. The world is completely fucked and our physical bodies are going to be going through the ringer very soon. I hope you're on the right side of the people who can now do whatever they want with absolutely no guardrails. Otherwise you're about to REALLY experience solidarity.
You should be against genocide and act accordingly. Let tonight teach you that lesson.
I've learned no lesson. I secured a permanent residency abroad the first time this chucklefuck was in office, and I've already bought my plane ticket out. I feel so, so awful for people who voted reasonably and are stuck there, and I encourage everyone who can to get out now, but I'll be damned if I'm going to let the self-righteous attitudes of people with no sense try to punish me for exercising logic.
@lemmy.ml was all I needed to know.
Bit of a tangent, but this pains me every time I read this in threads.
I wanted to join Lemmy after the Reddit exodus, found out that ml was "the main one" made by the devs and joined it. Last time I carefully tried to pick an instance was Mastodon, and I hardly ever found any content. Decided to check back in the other day, and every account except for the admin's (like less than 50) was removed for inactivity.
I'm not some far-right or Russian troll, but because most of them are on that instance everyone on it gets this reputation.
Signed, European who's afraid that the far-right movement on his continent will turn into an ultra-far-right turbo-movement now
If your "gotcha" is that your enemies are against genocide you should do some introspection
If your "gotcha" is you prefer the genocide to get worse to "teach people a lesson", you need to do some introspection as well.
Nah my "gotcha" is already stated: you shouldn't accept genocide. Shame on you for doing so.
No, I heard your gotcha. But the reality is standing to the side telling people "I told you so" is just sticking your head in the sand. You are enabling a worse genocide just for the sake of moral masturbation.
You might as well tell the people feeding the homeless they are "accepting homelessness" as well. Amounts to the same bullshit logic.
But when Trump enables a full scale genocide, you can pay yourself on the back and say "I had nothing to do with that".
There is no worse genocide. It's already supported to the hilt. You just support it.
Probably shouldn't have done that, huh?
Go ahead and try to redeem your soul and see you can become a benefit to society instead.
I hope that sense of moral superiority helps you sleep at night. I hope that you are right, and that the Palestinian people won't face a worse wrath because of your folly. And I truly hope that the road to hell isn't paved with your good intentions. Because the way I see it, letting Trump win may well be the bell tolling on humanity, and those who stood to the side and didn't help will have all that blood on their hands.
Thanks for the concern for my soul, but I would gladly damn it to prevent the problems we are about to face. Maybe when it gets bad, you will be willing to get yours dirty to help for a change.
I have no trouble sleeping, as I have been consistently against genocide and demanded better. It was y'all who took the gamble and lost.
May you someday redeem yourself after doing some self-reflection.
I too have been consistently against genocide, I have protested, I have called senators, I have donated time, money, medical supplies, and food.
I didn't gamble and lose, I fought the best I can, and will continue to do so.
I hope you do more than "demand better", because all your demands amount to is pissing down the backs of Palestinians and telling them it's raining.
I too have been consistently against genocide
Yet you are responding from a pro-Harris angle, i.e. a pro-genocide angle. Harris has been lockstep in line with the genocide and the admin's propaganda around it.
I have protested
Have you organized?
I have called senators
They don't care. That means nothing. This is how liberals funnel energy into the void.
I have donated time, money, medical supplies, and food.
I'm glad.
I didn’t gamble and lose
Did you bet on pro-genocide Harris? I think you did. I think you put yourself in a camp with her.
I hope you do more than “demand better”, because all your demands amount to is pissing down the backs of Palestinians and telling them it’s raining.
You should demand better since it is such a low baseline. Better like, you think genocide is a red line rather than a bargaining chip.
Try to redeem yourself.
Because you think you tankies are actually beneficial to anything?
Next year's Palestinians that are going to die thanks to cheeto's assistance would like to express their gratitude for your advocacy!
Why yes, the work I do is actually beneficial, thank you for mentioning it.
Next year's Palestinians will face the same level of US support of their genocide as it does today, but liberals such as yourself might do something against it.
Not a liberal, tankie, but try again.
I guess we'll see in the coming years, uh? If there is still a Palestine then, that is.
Obviously a liberal if you threw your hopes into electoralism for a genocidal neoliberal suit.
Oh it can and will be worse, and you know it. Just be honest - you don’t really care about Palestinians. You’d go to Gaza and murder them with your own hands if that’s what was needed to accelerate the collapse of the western world. Or maybe you’re just dumb AF and have been duped by the accelerationists. Either way, I’m glad you don’t need to get your own hands dirty and I hope the rise and fall of full-blown fascism is all you hope it’ll be.
If it's any consolation you and everyone else are likely to get a firsthand lesson in it in the near future.
Now EVERYONE is fucked. Congrats!
Rather than wishing ill upon others, try to be less accepting of genocide.
You now what would be total bodacious of you? If you could say:
The Tiananmen Square massacre in 1989 happend.
N ƿicıŋ, nœıŋ it ƿil kėm t pæſ i paṙt bikȯz v wėt Y'v dėn t U̇ A.
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Not wishing, knowing it will come to pass in part because of what you've done to us all.
Y hæv pleıd ė rol tėdeı, i ð suınıŋ v Pælistuın'z deþ worint. Kėŋgrætculeıcėnz, muı kin wil rimembṙ wėt Y'v dėn t U̇ f ð seık v Yuzıŋ auṙ ded f Yr ſinikėl ėbændėnment v Yr poſt difendıŋ ėgenſt auṙ greıtiſt enimız.
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You have played a role today, in the signing of Palestine's death warrant. Congratulations, my kin will remember what you've done to us for the sake of using our dead for your cynical abandonment of your post defending against our greatest enemies.
Nah bro. That is not what you said. You are not against genocide. You support it with a troll face.
No offense but you’re a fucking idiot if you think Trump would do any better
Trump: "I stopped the genocide."
Us: "You made the genocide worse!"
Trump: "Worse? Or better?"
/Invader Zim Reference - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDIgS-Soo9Q
If you like winning you should try not embracing genocide
If you are a little pink and you know it say:
The Tiananmen Square massacre in 1989 happend.
Haha, yeah that'll show em!
Now instead of having a president that supports the genocide of Palestinians you'll have... checks notes .... a president that supports the genocide of Palestinians. Wait there's more here.... doesn't believe in climate change, a guy who actively wants to prove that vaccines don't work actually in charge of health related shit, enabling the genocide of Ukraine (hey a whole new genocide!), pulling out of alliances and what's this last fun one, threatening the already flawed foundations of US democracy by, among other things, threatening to deploy the military against political opponents.
Is that what winning and being morally superior looks like? Because it looks pretty awful from here.
Now instead of having a president that supports the genocide of Palestinians you’ll have… checks notes … a president that supports the genocide of Palestinians.
Yeah maybe you should have demanded better instead of tolerating genocide. Your camp lost. I know I didn't tolerate it.
Oh, I wish I could. The moral high ground means doesn't buy anyone their rights or life back unfortunately, so you got a pretty bad deal there.
Why did you ignore all the other points? I'd love to hear someone accept what Trump has done and will do. If Trump pulls out of Ukraine and allows another genocide, what will be your argument then? "Never again"? Or are you just trolling?
I wouldn't even bother replying to comments from hexbear mk II. I just automatically assume troll.
I'm not American so not sure exactly who my camp is or what I was supposed to do. Enjoy your measles and smallpox, hope it was a good trade in exchange for making zero difference to Palestinians in the best case.
If you honestly believe the situation in Palestine will be better with the Cheeto in charge of the US, then you are insane.
The US is a deeply flawed democracy, and like it or not, any choice other than voting for the Democrats, including abstaining is a vote for the Cheeto.
But you are a .ml user, so you are either trolling or a useful idiot.
Oh look, the very-serious Cheetoh dialog has arrived.
Focus on self-reflection and redeeming yourself for accepting genocide. Go do some work in your community and for humanity.
I said this before, and I'll say it again, since both parties in the election (don't try and claim that the greens have any hope of winning, they only serve to split the Democrat vote) seem disinterested in the horrific situation in Palestine, you pick the least bad candidate.
If you don't, you get the worst candidate for everyone.
I am not American, but if I were, I'd pick Harris no question.
Since you are supporting Trump, tell me, how does is feel supporting a sexist, racist, convicted felon who also supports genocide?
Remember that in the US idiotic election system, any vote other than the Dems is a vote for the Reps, and any vote for the Reps is a vote for a worse society.
I said this before, and I’ll say it again, since both parties in the election (don’t try and claim that the greens have any hope of winning, they only serve to split the Democrat vote) seem disinterested in the horrific situation in Palestine, you pick the least bad candidate.
And I've said this before: don't both-sides a genocide. Never again means never again for anyone.
If you won't listen to basic moralism, listen to your resounding strategic loss.
Please say:
The Tiananmen Square massacre in 1989 happend.
Oh man, if you think it was bad under Biden...
Oh, man. If you were happy with the genocide under Biden...
It will be the same but liberals will be less asleep during atrocities.
Lol k. I bet things get better for everyone now, huh?
If you decide to be part of the right side of history, it will help that, yes. Are you going to?
What is the right side of history, dipshit? Letting Trump annihilate the rest of the Palestinians to prove a point of having some semblance of hope that someone else might do better?
Go fuck yourself.
What is the right side of history, dipshit?
Being against genocide. You should try it sometime.
Don’t you worry now, Trump will make sure that the suffering of the Palestinian people will end quickly
It's no fantasy, you are just in denial.
Ðı'ṙ totėlı ſėm ƿuıt kid hu'z nevṙ livd ð difrinſ.
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They're totally aome white kid who's never lived the difference.
I guess we'll get to find out if there is such a thing as "worse genocide"
Not in terms of American support, you won't. Biden is already the maximum.
We'll see.
Seriously? Fuck you. This supports the genocide of every LGBTQ+ person in all of North America, be it directly or indirectly. No one wants what is happening in Gaza. But, I have to say the potential genocide (in the complete erasure of culture as well as open murders with little to no consequences sense) here is even higher.
I have the unfortunate circumstance of being a trans woman in GA. I already have had to completely shut off most contact with people, both work and personal.
I've already had rocks thrown at me in an attempt to kill me (this was years ago, even). I already feel like I have to carry a gun. If things go the way they seem, I will even have to order in groceries because it will further empower the people that hate my existence.
The foreign policy is shit, no question. However, I don't like the possibility of being raped and murdered by some asshole that thinks he understands Co² emissions after watching some video.
I have a lot to say here, especially as a very blue collar machinist. I will refrain, though.
In conclusion: by "avoiding" the genocide in Gaza (which may have been resolved), you have also doomed people like me to maybe live in fear for the rest of our lives.
You're sitting in a throne made of shit, and you're feeling right at home.
No this only proves the misogyny ingrained in the US. We will never allow a woman to be president.
Honestly I'm wondering if that's why the margin Trump is winning is so "huge". The US will never vote for a woman president. Both times Trump has gone up against a woman, he's won. But against a man, he lost.
When CNN interviewed a black man at a previously Biden stronghold in Georgia, he said "women are emotional" and "I don't think they make great leaders"
The men who voted for Biden in 2020 voted for Trump because they were afraid of a women being in a position of power.
You're right
Absolutely. This country is way more misogynistic and racist than I realized
Ð elektoret inkaṙneıcėn v "Moṙ ƿorıd ėbaut n bııŋ kald ė bigit ðæn n bııŋ ė bigit."
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The electorate incarnation of "More worried about not being called a biggot than not being a biggot."
This proves that you need to at least pander to the left to win, i.e. the only consistently anti-genocide group in the country. Maybe you should join them instead of tolerating genocide.
Geez if you wanna get blocked so bad just say so.
They're still gonna die under trump though, i don't get your point