Do you want the murderer of the UnitHealthcare CEO prosecuted?
Do you want the murderer of the UnitHealthcare CEO prosecuted?
This is a genuine question.
I have a hard time with this. My righteous side wants him to face an appropriate sentence, but my pessimistic side thinks this might have set a great example for CEOs to always maintain a level of humanity or face unforseen consequences.
P.S. this topic is highly controversial and I want actual opinions so let's be civil.
And if you're a mod, delete this if the post is inappropriate or if it gets too heated.
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Sometimes people provide a public service to humanity is very dark ways. Do not turn this guy in.
Further, legality should not be considered a measure of justice. The best thing to do is often illegal. Laws are made by politicians, and politicians are overwhelmingly representing the owning class, not typical people, so the utopian idea that laws are fair is completely ignorant of the real legal and political system defining them.
The murderer of that innocent man needs to be brought to justice.
You mean the man who's company let sick people die by denying proper healthcare, all for the sake of profits? That innocent man? Do not turn this guy in.
If he’s guilty of a crime, why didn’t you sue him?
That's not how the system work. How old are you?
It's the system Americans want, based on their voting behavior.
No it isn't. Neither major party has used their power to fix this system. Both have had ample opportunity in the many past decades.
Due to the dominance of the FPTP system's spoiler effect and of the two-party system, we can't reasonably expect a mass shift to third parties. Therefore, of the two viable parties, neither will change the system. No realistic voting behavior indicates support of the broken system - if anything the lowering voter turnout is a general indication that they don't support the system.
Do you really believe you can win against an army of lawyers paid with an absurd amount of money? Not only that but what the CEO did is legal... is just inhumane
Because crimes should be handled in a criminal court case with real consequences, not a civil case. But that's not likely to happen.
So if someone did sue them, and against all odds they won, and the money they received somehow properly compensated for their loss (i.e. a loved ones preventable death), then the company that extracts billions of dollars from Americans every year would lose a couple million. The company would be unaffected and have no meaningful consequences for their willfully unethical behavior. We'd have to have thousands of successful lawsuits to have meaningful consequences.
By your logic everyone who works any job deserves to die. Your logic is not logical.
That's not implied by their logic at all. Not every person is in a position of power like this CEO was, the majority of people don't have a job that denies people necessary healthcare, and many people will not make the choice to be unethical like this CEO chose.
I understand, and disagree with, the argument that vigilante justice is completely uncalled for but you're not doing your argument justice here
Murder is not justified for someone working a job people don't like.
If someone's job is to cause death and suffering and they profit from it then yeah maybe they should face the same.
Calling what this guy did for a living "just a job" is absurd.
It's not his job to cause death. It was his job to run a company.
A company where the stated objective was to prioritize profit at the cost of human life. That's a job to cause death.
The people working for that company are not likely to be in a position to quit over ethical issues, as they are trying to feed their families, but the CEO of that company made decisions that directly impacted other people lives and likely killed many. If he didn't want to deny claims for care, he could have resigned. Instead, he profited.
His job was to cause death. As is the job of all for-profit health care companies.
You could say the same thing about a manager at McDonald's. They don't deserve to die.
That makes literally no sense
It makes sense. He worked a job, other people work a job. Same thing.
A real life billionaire boot licker I see…
Just Someone who does not believe that people should be gunned down for no reason.
He was gunned down for a reason, I’m not sure what you’re talking about
He was gunned down because the person who assassinated him didn't like him.
You are seriously missing the point here, and I really can't tell at this point if you're trolling or just not expressing yourself clearly. Can you please stop posting the same juvenile, inane comment all over Lemmy? That the gunman "didn't like" the CEO has absolutely nothing to do with the situation. This is not grade school: nobody called someone else a name, or spread a rumor about someone else, or broke someone's favorite pencil. We're not talking about "not liking" someone personally; we're talking about someone who has committed what amount to crimes against humanity being taken down by a vigilante. The gunman very probably never met nor spoke with the CEO until he shot him.
Now, the potential consequences of widespread vigilantism? That is an interesting and worthwhile topic. And, having seen a half-dozen or so of your comments, I suspect that this is what is actually making you nervous. This was an extrajudicial killing, which is very much against the original decrees of the US (trial by jury, etc). But, maybe we are so far gone due to corruption... Again, this is where the conversation gets interesting.
What would you consider "a reason" then? The man had plenty of reasons.
"I can't believe they threw me in jail. I pulled a trigger on a gun and shot someone. But other people pull triggers on nail guns all the time and don't go to jail! It's the same thing!"
That's you right now. Two things can be described by the same action but have very different effects, both morally and legally.
Your analogy isn't logical whereas mine is.
Are you just trolling or what
No
Okay. Would you mind explaining to me why two courses of action being jobs makes them equally okay?
Not all jobs are equal: not in pay, not in proximity to the people who actually carry out the orders of Leadership, not in consequences, not in collaboration with others.
For example, Biden has the authority to stop the transfer of arms to Israel, even after Congress has approved of it. That decision would have much greater impacts on Israel's ability to carry out their genocide on the Palestinian people.
A McDonald's manager has no say in weather those arms make it to Israel or not.
Different positions call for different levels of ethical consideration. Maybe the United Healthcare CEO should have considered ethics and morals more when he decided to prioritize profit over human lives.
Consequently, you could also make the same diagnosis for Biden because this whole Israel thing is nuking his legacy.
That's obviously not their logic. This is hilarious to read.
I would have agreed if u would have said murderer of that man saying he is innocent just make you seem ignorant of the meaning of that word.
The strapping young man deserves the same justice as the marine from Seal Team six who killed Osama.
America is more united on the Adjuster doing his work than Obama doing Osama tbh
In a perfect world, where all criminals white or blue are brought to justice under the same hammer, you would have a point and my heart.
But the world is not just; you know that, I know that, they know that.
that 'innocent man' killed thousands of people for profit. Fuck off with your Disney cartoon ass morality.
Do you say this when people die as result of his profit seeking?
Do people who work at any company and get murdered should have their killers celebrated? It's the same thing.
that's the hot part... it aint...
wage slave is not the same thing as an officer of a coporation, if you ever worked for a corporation, you would know this.
They get nice office, jets, they don't have to really work. They build relationships.
The working people you know... work.
how naive are you?
No it isn't.
How is it the same thing
Because he worked at a job and other people work at a job. Same thing.
You are a mindless zombies.
Please tell me you're not trolling, and have an actual working brain to understand your idiocy.
Insulting people isn't a nice thing to do. Blocking you.
So are threatening someone's life and casual small talk the same thing? They're both talking. What about driving down the road vs running someone over? Or shooting a target vs shooting a person? They're both shooting. Same thing.
Yo bro are you a ceo? Are you related to the dude that got got? Your hard on for “justice” for the ceo is really weird
I'm just into morality. Murder is wrong.
Do the smart thing, instead of arguing with people who think premeditated homicide can be justified just take advantage of these posts to block those people. Lemmy doesn't have that big of a community so if you actually take the time to block them you'll see a lot less of extremist brainwashed people in your feed
people who think premeditated homicide can be justified
This is, evidently, a common mainstream view. If we lived in a world where the legal system actually worked and was a viable option for dealing with them non-violently, perhaps this view wouldn't be popular, but the working class can't afford to pretend the system is fair. Just like citizens defending against a military invasion, sometimes homicide is the only effective action left to try.
I have been blocking people. There's so many people to block.
Soooo many accounts blocked the last few days. Bad things can happen to bad people without frothing at the mouth and going full bloodlust, but so many people here seem incapable of that.
I get it, the victim could not be any more unsympathetic. But the responses here are beyond sickening. Thank you for being level headed; I appreciate you.
Yes, I cannot believe how many people would like to see those they don't like just gunned down in cold blood. What is next? You don't like the homeless person on the corner so you just shoot them in the head?