She hung a Pride flag at her shop. She was killed over it, officials say.
She hung a Pride flag at her shop. She was killed over it, officials say.
Laura Carleton hung a Pride flag outside her California clothing store, Mag.pi. A man fatally shot her after criticizing the flag, the sheriff’s department said.
When a clothing store opened in Cedar Glen, Calif., in the summer of 2021, the owner hung a Pride flag at the entrance, her friends recalled. Whenever someone would tear down the flag, owner Laura Carleton would raise another one.
But after someone complained about the flag on Friday, the encounter turned deadly.
A man arrived at the store, Mag.pi, around 5 p.m. and criticized Carleton’s Pride flag before he shot her, according to the San Bernardino County Sheriff’s Department. Carleton, 66, was pronounced dead at the scene.
The shooter, whom authorities have not publicly identified, died following “a lethal force encounter” with deputies after the shooting, the sheriff’s department said in a statement.
Community members have since rallied around Carleton’s store, placing Pride flags, flowers, candles and photos of Carleton in front of it. Matthew Clevenger of Lake Arrowhead LGBTQ+ said Carleton was a strong ally of the LGBTQ+ community.
“She was a fierce protector of everybody being who they wanted to be,” Clevenger told The Washington Post.
Carleton, who went by Lauri, began working in fashion as a teenager at her family’s business, Fred Segal in Los Angeles, according to Mag.pi’s website. After graduating from the ArtCenter College of Design in Pasadena, Calif., Carleton worked at a retail store before joining Kenneth Cole in the 1980s. Carleton worked for the fashion company for more than 15 years as an executive.
In 2013, Carleton founded her clothing store, Mag.pi, on Ventura Boulevard in Studio City, Calif. She added a second store in Cedar Glen in 2021. While she built her career, Carleton married her husband and took pride in their blended family of nine children, her store’s website says.
Carleton was one of the largest donors to Lake Arrowhead LGBTQ+ and attended the organization’s Pride boat parade in June, Clevenger said. A section of Mag.pi was dedicated to rainbow-colored products, and she displayed rainbow candles by the cash register, he said.
Carleton helped create a culture in which the LGBTQ+ community felt accepted, Clevenger said. But some community members were still resistant, he added, and took down Mag.pi’s Pride flag multiple times.
After making “disparaging remarks” about the Pride flag on Friday, a man shot Carleton before fleeing, according to the sheriff’s department. He was holding a handgun when deputies found him on a nearby road, where he later died, officials said.
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This is not just a LGBT issue of bigotry but also a fucked Americans with guns issue.
I can't imagine this happening in Canada even though we have dickheads here too
Yeah. BOTH parties died, and the cops have yet to explain what happened in their encounter with the shooter.
Like, obviously the shooter was a murderer and a bigot. But was he a threat to the cops? I'd feel a lot better if they said something (or maybe that's just not being reported by the news sources I've seen?)
No one deserves to be killed. Even bigots and murderers have that right.
There are a lot of great things about this country, but the gun violence rate is fucked.
He was holding a handgun when they found him and he probably didn't drop it or waved it at them. I agree with you in principle.
Sorry, but I disagree. Any piece of shit that hates others so much that they will kill because of It- needs to be put down like the animal they are. They deserve no mercy and need to be removed from the population.
But I don't trust cops. They don't deserve that power. They'll use it in cases we won't agree with.
Yeah, guy was armed and already fired.
Would you take the risk? This is one of the times where police use of deadly force is actually warranted.
If it was actually the guy that did it.
We should come up with some process where a small, randomly representative democratic panel can be informed of the facts and then decide if he's really the murderer.
We can say "he had already fired" but at the scene cops don't know that. Cops found a guy who matches some sort of description, it may or may not have been him.
Shoot first, questions later, may turn out well then but generally no that's not how it should work. Yes cops need to take that risk.
It is this type of morality that drove him to do what he did. Life is not just a commodity you can just throw away. Instead of trying to bury the problem with more violence, try and sort it by educating the kids better in this area.
Resisting this feeling, of hating them beyond human decency like they do to us, is the only thing that makes us better than them. We both fight for what we claim is morality. But the bigots do so with hate, so we must fight with love and empathy - deliver justice to them, but restrain the kind of unbridled, animalistic hate they let free. This is the only way to show that we are better - treating them as human, while they call us subhuman.
I only just actually read your whole comment and holy shit ! You actually think the only difference between a Nazi and its victims and opponents is hate vs love? Not the fact that we don't commit genocide and hate crimes and shit? Or try to take over the world? Or the constant use of slave labor and unethical medical experiments?
Get a fucking grip you liberal asswipe, and don't you fucking dare try to shame people for feeling anything but contempt for Nazis. You not understanding what it's like to be a victim of their shit doesn't give you the right to be a self righteous moralizing cunt about it. Your love and acceptance of Nazis is exactly what allows them to gain power, what gives them the courage to go out and murder innocent people like Laura Carleton. Now please go fuck yourself 🌸
[Comment removed. My philosophy has changed and I no longer support the kind of Socratic virtue argument I used here.]
committing hate crimes against them is no better.
No one is advocating committing hate crimes against anybody. You are purposefully strawmanning other people so you can manipulate them into adopting your way of thinking, and I am not gonna let you do it.
You're a prick.
And the hate crimes and genocide are exactly the hate I was referring too.
This clown is motte-and-baileying himself by claiming he meant hate crimes when he was clearly talking about, and says outright, feeling hate in his previous posts.
He was not talking about hate crimes. He was talking about feeling hate and is purposefully conflating the two so he can motte-and-bailey himself out of admitting he is wrong.
That means this guy has an agenda, and is very likely a Nazi apologist.
Everybody do not listen to him or people like him.
I checked a couple of their comments on other stuff, they love Nietzsche and think child labor laws are a bad thing. Yea this person is 100% a Nazi apologist, or maybe just a straight up Nazi pretending to be a centrist
Yes those were the two key Nazi platforms
I am not a Nazi apologist like you claim, and I see now that we are clearly beyond the point of reasoning with the intolerant bigots - they must be removed by force as you're saying. I agree with your points. We're fighting the same fight, just in different ways - and I never attempted to formulate a strawman fallacy (although your ad hominem is nearly as repulsive). I agree with your method now, I was simply trying to find a way to avoid unnecessary bloodshed where clearly there is no way.
Sorry I made you feel so insulted by my argument as to make those points against me. I concede.
Resisting this feeling, of hating them beyond human decency like they do to us, is the only thing that makes us better than them.
Morality isn't about being better than others. You are a child. Grow the fuck up
You are still a better person than them if you hate them.
They hate us because of made up bullshit culture wars.
We hate them because they want us and people we care about dead.
These are in no way equal. I hate every single one of these people.
This is actually why we reject the perversion of deontological thinking that fucking clown above is using, and why we embrace consequentialism, because morality has to be grounded in the real world and why you do things has to matter more than just what you do alone in general.
Nah, we can be better than them and still take joy in bad things happening to them :3
Thanks for the downvotes libs! Stay mad that people don't like fascists as much as you
Hey! We found a tankie!
Your username certainly checks out
That's true only tankies are allowed to hate Nazis
/s fuck tankies, what the heck kind of take is that? "you hate literal fascists that means you like Stalin" ?????
Well, Stalin was a fascist. And Tankies like to call everyone who doesn't 100% agree with their radical views as fascists and like to throw out "lib" like it's a slur to anyone they're arguing with. I'm just making an educated guess here.
Yes, we have missed the chance to subject the shooter to questioning in court and expose their prejudice properly. Now there is a danger they will become a martyr
IMO, death is too-good for anyone who deserves to be killed. It's an easy out.
But in answer to your question, I'm not surprised. Somebody who crosses the line in a rage is less likely to just give up without a fight. Somebody being a confrontational, hateful asshole who picks that fight and then kills someone is more likely to be like "welp I'm fucked, might as well go out shooting." They may even believe that they've got some kind of moral high ground, although such a belief is more likely a justification in their own heads.
IMO, death is too-good for anyone who deserves to be killed. It’s an easy out.
Like that's gonna help the victim at all
It happened in New Zealand?
Not everything is about you and your pet political causes. Let us mourn that poor fucking woman in peace.
Oh, shut up. There's nothing about discussing the underlying factors that contributed to this woman's death that is in any way disrespectful to the memory of the victim.
If I were to become a deceased victim, be it of crime, disease, or accident, I would want my death to be looked at enough to see if we can find ways to prevent others from suffering my same fate. To do less would be to negate the value behind my passing.
Less false piety, more conversations.
Less false piety, more conversations.
Well, that's something you certainly could learn to do yourself, judging from the way you're acting.
You're mistaking annoyance for piety.
It turns out something can have multiple causes. A rising wave of bigotry and easy access to firearms can both contribute to someone being shot.