Trump Signs Executive Orders to Militarize Police, Punish Sanctuary Cities and Refugees
Trump Signs Executive Orders to Militarize Police, Punish Sanctuary Cities and Refugees
I have some gloves-off shit I need to get off my mind and I feel the time and place for it is now because I’m very angry:
So… non voters, remember when we were telling everyone that would listen to “vote blue no matter who? Remember that? Of course you do- you threw that shit back at us like it was a god damned grenade. Remember that?
Yeah, well…. THIS is why we were saying that.
You see, we all saw this shit coming. Which is why we were saying to plug your fucking noses and just vote. Hell.., We even tried to reason with you- suggesting that-
“You’re not voting FOR Harris, you’re voting AGAINST fascism!”
You didn’t listen.
Your “…but, they’re doing a genocide!” was so deeply embedded via your little edgelord wind-tunnels, that most of you began to see it as an argument to win, instead of a point to be made-
Instead of doing anything substantial to help end it.
Well. Your point was definitely made. We all have heard you loud and clear. You collectively and VERY loudly agreed that you would be fine with the outcome either way- since genocide was going to be happening no matter who you voted for, right?
I do have to ask though…
Are you still fine with your choice? How about the memory of you, sitting on your asses and laughing at all the people rushing to voting booths in-between work and picking their kids up from daycare… How is that sitting with you? All those jokes and inflammatory remarks you hurled at the people who tried their fucking best to stop this with the only thing they have- their vote. The people, who tried to protect your sorry asses that couldn’t be bothered to even do the BARE FUCKING MINIMUM asked to protect our democracy.
I ask you… are those jokes still funny?
Is there any chance that any of you want to walk back all those accusations you made about everyone being sheep? What about those smug and arrogant jabs about how both sides are the same? About how democrats and republicans are somehow working together…
care to issue a statement here?
Because I’m pretty damned certain that NONE of this shit would be happening right now if you had listened to us when we told you that this was going to happen.
When HE fucking told you this would happen.
And while very few people here were ever in favor of the genocide in Palestine- much to the disagreement of the few that are around that are STILL arguing against this point- we knew and know- that the pain we face at home must be resolved before we can be of any aid in the pain endured by others in theirs… Especially when most of you couldn’t have even pointed to any of those homes on a map a year ago and a half ago.
It should be noted that this is not in any way to lay the entirety of blame at the feet of the stay-at-home/its-someone-else’s-problem protestors, but the numbers are in, and while your combined lack of effort might not make up the entirety of the ninety one million registered voters that stayed home, it’s a fair guess that between you and the ones that voted third party-
We could have avoided this.
Roughly four to five million votes. That’s all we needed. Just four to five million of you to have listened. But your arrogance, your fucking entitlement- wouldn’t let this happen.
So now here we are. With this shit. This tyrant king and his pet tech-gremlin, stripping away our rights hour by hour, day by day. And while dealing with this shit, I as an American, have to carry on hour by hour, day by day- being tossed into the same bucked with you.
I have to shoulder the blame right along side you. And it’s not fucking fair. I did my part. I voted. I canvased, I shouted from the fucking rooftops.
But I’ll digress…
I sincerely hope that high road you thought you were taking lands you all right to where it seems the rest of us are going….
Because no one deserves it more.
I didn't even have to hold my nose for Kamala. She seemed fine. Nothing amazing but fine, just like Biden.
But then again I don't care about the pressing issues like how someone laughs.
90 million voters don't know just how fucking good they have it. They think America is America because it's America. America is America because the people before us were willing to die for human rights.
I voted liberal in Canada specifically because the conservatives were becoming more MAGA adjacent. I don't like the libs much, but I will have them over PP's Trump ass kissing any day.
I was one of those people right there with you, screaming at the non voters to vote.
Given what the Election Truth Alliance, and The Voice of San Diego have uncovered, I don't think it would have mattered. They used every single method to steal the election that they could.
https://sdvoice.info/trump-lost-vote-suppression-won-here-are-the-numbers/
2024 was the second highest turnout of any election on record. This isn't the fault of non voters.
Democrats should have been begging voters to turn out, offering to give them anything they wanted to avoid Trump. Instead they actively refused the one thing voters were demanding while using trump almost like a threat
I'm so tired of this 'democrats can't fail, only be failed' apologia from liberals. As things continue getting worse it will only become harder for democrats to win anything, especially if they continue refusing what voters are asking for while blaming them for the fascism dems are collaborating with.
Better get your boots laced because sitting on your ass and whining about non-voters won't protect you, we're all in this shit now because democrats couldn't get themselves to challenge Israel's genocide
Enjoying Trump?
The Democratic Party doesn't give a fuck about America turning into a fascist nightmare. Never have, never will. Most of them would be happy to play puppet opposition if it meant that the checks would keep coming.
So glad we have non voters to tell us how bad things could have been!
Try convincing someone like rhoeri of that.
They'd rather deflate the popular anti-wealth momentum within their own party just so they can deflect attention away from inequality, and thats why they'll continue losing. You and I know that, but people like the above will continue placing blame on voters who are increasingly frustrated instead.
That's how libs end up collaborating with fascism - they're too invested in the existing and failing capital structure
I’d rather put the blame where it lies.
Am Not an American . Are the Democrats now doing something to be more appealing in the future, or they just rely on Trump to keep being awful?
I think this is hard for people from other countries to understand. Our Democrats are not an opposition party. We don't have that concept in our system. I'll admit I was naive to it before Trump started Trumping. Even after the first Trump I was thinking, "Well, that was fucking dumb. Glad we found our sanity again." And I was wrong.
I wouldn't have been able to articulate this before. I credit my time on Lemmy for some of it. But in reality you can't explain any of this shit show UNLESS you accept that our entire political system is now structured to serve the rich at the expense of the peasants. Universal healthcare is a no brainer. Infrastructure like rail and renewables is a no brainer. Affordable childcare and reasonable wages is a fucking no brainer. UNLESS the incentives for those in power are not aligned with the good of the people.
Democrats don't care that they're not in power, as long as the establishment keeps getting paid.
Now, of course, there can be those like AOC and Sanders who buck that trend. Leaders with those types of values do tend toward the Democratic party. But those are the exceptions. And they can't save us.
At the moment, our fiercest Democrat just voted for the new law to allow The government to censor anything on the internet they don't like. I think it's fair to say it's not going well.
I think now is a good time for third party too get going. I'm sure a bunch of left leaning Democrats could take a good chunk of the vote and tea party the Democrats.
We've passed a line, sans drastic things happening, there won't be any meaningful votes anymore.
The Democrats are probably praying that Trump lives till he's 1000 years old, otherwise they would need to do something more than not being Ttump
they would need to do something more than not being Ttump
The only thing not being Trump has gotten them so far was one more term of an old white guy who was barely left of the right.
Wanted to add you make ml's look completely sane, given how much you post about them.
Exhibit A
Excuse me, but if I remember correctly, wasn't that election one with the most people voting ever? Kind of odd to be blaming non-voters when the voting turnout was a lot larger than usual.
Where do you get your news?
Well said brother.
If the dems wanted to win, Bernie would have been our candidate in 2016, not Hillary. If the dems weren’t working for the same people the reps are, Harris would have taken over as president when it was CLEAR that Biden was not fit to lead anymore. If the dems wanted to prevent fascism, they would have had an election to decide who the candidate will be, not just stick Harris in and tell us to vote for her.
If you want me to vote, run candidates that represent my interests.
Stop telling the progressives to 'fall in line.' Start telling it to the neo-liberals.
Exhibit A
I held my nose and voted for Kamala, but 2016, 2020, and 2024 should have been cakewalks for Dems but they refuse to win the easy races by picking the worst candidates, sure 2020 fell for Dems but that wasn't for lack of trying to lose. The Democrat party keeps putting their fingers on the scale for the losing option in the primaries.
Here nor there. 2024 should have been a no-brainer. And from the results…
It truly was.
I have so many idiot friends who said "I'm not voting for Harris cause of Israel". I'm betting that line was a plant by the Republicans or Putin. but it stuck. and my friends bought it hook line and sinker.
line was a plant
Didn't need to be, the whole point of the Israel support was to sow the division. It was designed to be a no-win scenario on the left, orchestrated by the right, and the dino's. The defense contractors win, there's a stock angle to play and the collapse of support for the left.
The truth is, the left is not listening. They haven't been for a long time. But not voting left wasn't about to change any of that. Half the left is owned by the right. This takeover wasn't overnight, it was over decades. Even if we managed to squeek in Harris, it would only have been another 4-8 years and we'd be back here.
Unless something drastic happens, we will stay a fascist dictatorship.
Yep. They sure as shit did.
Just people with principles. This "non voters cost us the election" is a nonsense division tactic. Stop going after people for voting their conscience and morals. You're just making it easier for the fascists.
Not all non voters are equal thanks to our shitty election system. Swing states, ill give you that one. Those folks contributed but are still not the reason he won. Some dude in Michigan who sat out is not the same as a dude in Tennessee. One matters much more than the other.
I choked back my vomit (yet again) to participate in a process I abhor and yet again it didnt amount to shit. Maybe work on getting that extra third of the electorate instead of kneecapping a portion who will show up if you're reasonable because you need them. And no, i don't believe supporting genocide is reasonable.
Just people with principles.
idealists are a liability. naive suckers.
Or, here’s the apparently radical third option… do what the voters want and reel Bibi/Givir/Smotrich in, or at the very least stop giving Israel outright political cover. “Israel gets to do war crimes and/or genocide… and you pay for it” was a uni-party stance in the 2024 cycle, and it’s fucking infuriating. I expect the right to back Israel reflexively, but I did NOT expect to see y’all pull the mental gymnastics make yourselves be okay with it. And then have the gall to shout down and bully away criticism of the party’s complicity.
If your candidate can mostly be summed up as “less shit” then that damning sales pitch to get the ‘apolitical normie’ vote out to win elections s. Kamala barely stood tall on any firm policy - let along a coherent platform, didn’t distance herself sufficiently from Biden, and didn’t respond to voters’ legitimate economic anxieties. At that point a demonstrable lies become the sound bites differentiating Trump from Kamala.
If their candidate is the only thing standing between a half-assed working system of government, and an outright dictatorship- and you don’t vote for them…
well, we see very well what happens, don’t we?
I don’t know about you, but I sure as shit am glad we dodged that “no policy having, pro-democracy” bullet, eh?
I mean… things are SO much better without that obnoxious democracy getting in the way.
If their candidate is the only thing standing between a half-assed working system of government, and an outright dictatorship- and you don’t vote for them…
I did, so put the straw man away. In a swing state, because I understand that at a minimum I’m negating someone else’s R vote. I’m following politics outside the election cycle and aware of the FPTP game. You can make the “less shit” argument to me, and have it work because I recognize it’s true.
But that’s exactly my point about the apolitical and/or low propensity ‘normie’ voters - Trump has confidence and an answer for everything, if you ignore the absence of details. Harris struggled/refused to define herself and her platform - effectively giving that job to the media and the opposition. “Everything will stay fundamentally the same” was a vote loser for most of America this cycle, and that was the Democratic platform.
I don’t know about you, but I sure as shit am glad we dodged that “no policy having, pro-democracy” bullet, eh?
In a way, kinda? Trump is on a fascism speed run through the Project 2025 goals, and has a sycophantic circle of incompetence around him that keeps making blunders atop his own. Going this hard and this fast has had blowback, with him tanking his approval rating accordingly in record time.
Were he an actually steady hand that could play long chess, build coalitions, and quietly place plans in motion? Deport worst-of-the-worst criminals instead of literally whoever is brown, quietly subvert NATO and hamstring the unified command instead of JD and Hegseth chastising Europe and openly questioning Article 5, give Israel/Saudis a browbeating in public whilst increasing arms sales instead of ‘hell yeah, kill them all’ tweets, etc
Effective dictatorship I fear a lot more than an incompetent strongman. People bend and mold themselves to the former over time, the latter rips off the bandage too fast and pisses off voters who form resistance coalitions.
#resistance #liberal
Because no one deserves it more.
Truly the most evil demographic of people, non-voters.
I hope they have the life they voted for.
Same.
Jesus christ shut up lol
“You’re not voting FOR Harris, you’re voting AGAINST fascism!”
Harris is also a fascist, you just didn't mind Palestinian babies being blown up by the most lethal military so you can have your "joy" of pretending she's not fascist.
You didn’t listen.
You're still not listening.
We could have avoided this.
Yes, yes, finish the thought though so you can fully appreciate how fucking evil it is. We could have continued living in thezone of interest, we could have continued to ignore American atrocities and put our head back in the sand, we could have just continued to slaughter kids so we can continue to buy cheap Chinese shit while wasting our lives away in an increasingly slave-wage paying country working double jobs to put food on the table.
We could have had all that back, if we just said fuck it, let them just win.
YOU HAVE LEARNED NOTHING, and Americans deserve everything that's coming to them. Every asshole constantly telling us "oh look the leopards are eating your face" as our communities are freaking out and family members disappearing deserves everything that's coming when it's your turn. I hope no one is left for you when we're all gone.
you are a moron
I rest my case.
I rest mine. I'm in the process of acquiring foreign papers for my family so we can escape before they shove us in a concentration camp, and you are yelling that you have the moral high ground because my family deserves it because we didn't vote for the person literally bombing the rest of our family.
You are nice Nazis, they're just honest about it.
Your comment won't be popular here in the fediverse among Americans, and neither will mine, likely. But as an American I wanted to say I can appreciate your position. What OP's rant looks like to an outsider is almost the same as what OP is complaining about. I get that a vote for Dems was just a vote for a less shitty situation close to home. To someone whose family is being killed by American supplied arms it is fascist shit all the way down. The schadenfreude you are feeling toward America is the same as that OP is expressing toward non-voters. Some version of, "How do you like the results of your shitty actions?"
Being in the thick of it I have a hard time with the "tear it all down as fast as possible" position. But, I get it.
Upvoted for bringing broader perspectives to Lemmy. Whatever comes next we can't afford not to see the bigger/biggest picture.
Thank you for this, the contempt the original comment shows how very unprinciplaled they are: missing the forest for the trees and throwing their brothers and sisters under.
Now put here your copypasta about ranked voting!
Nicely put. And on an ozma post to boot.
the non-voters either dint bother voter, or said it doesnt affect them right now.
No, the correct paraphrasing is
"When given the choice between a less than perfect, but educated, compliant and compassionate candidate, or Hitler-without-class, pick the first one, otherwise you'll get the second."
I rest my case.
Maybe one day you will realize it is the complete and willing ineptitude of democrats domestically and their never-ending bloodlust in foreign policy that got us here in the first place and then you will be correct when you righteously shake your fists while scolding them.
It's a big maybe.
How’s all that nothing you did working out for Gaza right now, bud? Happy for your decisions? No? Yeah, I get that. I see it too and it’s a huge bummer. Well…
Did your lack of effort do well for your loved ones in the LGBTQ+? No? Okay, well…
What about all the women in your life? Do you think your inaction helped them in a way you fell they deserved?
Meh..
Either way, I’m not debating this shit with you. You’re unhinged and incapable of being reasoned with.
Ignore the history of how this country came to this place of disaster, and keep telling yourself it will be the democrats who save you.
You keep trying these dumbass arguments, but you have the memory of a goldfish. Let's try working your points.
Gaza? The Gaza that Biden bombed for 14 months and competely annhilated? That Gaza? The one that he never once asked them to stop murdering innocent men, WOMEN, and CHILDREN by dropping illegally shipped 2000lb bombs on their makeshift tents? That sounds like women's rights to me. Actually that sounds exactly like the kind of human rights I want my leaders to effectuate.
Why was Biden bombing Yemen - which Trump continues to do?
Do you know what the Leahy Act is? Do you know Biden and Obama violated it regularly?
Remember when AOC said Harris was "working tirelessly for a ceasefire?" Oh yeah that was a lie.
You know all those student deportations taking place under Trump are the direct result of Biden ordering police into campuses to break up the peaceful protests right?
You realize the deporter in chief Marco Rubio was voted for unanimously by the voting senate. 99-0 including Bernie. Man if democrats really wanted to save the country they would have put up somewhat of a fight here.
Remember how Bided said "we can work together on this issue of Gaza so it's in the best interests of the American public." That's right - he didn't do anything like this because the democrats are not democratic.
You still don't see how democrats disastrous policies led us here? I didn't think so.
Oh hey did you ever hear about what Obama did in Iraq and Syria?
Or how about Libya?
Maybe Juan Guiado has a comment on the issue?
Maybe you remember the US coup against Ukraine in 2014 under Obama which has led to this current disaster?
Why was a worthless junkie with no experience or qualifications in energy or in anything other than getting high while blowing loads of dad's money getting paid handsomely by a foreign energy company to serve as a board member?
Remember voting in the democratic primary? Oh yeah they blocked everyone from that too. Real democratic shit here.
Remember when democrats protected Roe v Wade and it wasn't overturned? Wait that's not right.
Or how about when democrats passed a highly stripped down version of Obamacare, and if you didn't at least have some shitty marketplace insurance you were taxed for it?
Hey remember when democrats pledged a $15 minimum wage and then folded when some dude with a position I have never heard of claimed authority over your represented officials?
There is no debate here. You will do whatever they tell you to do despite the overwhelming evidence that could not be more clear than in this prescient moment of chaos. What are they doing? What legal tactics do they have? What populist tactics do they have? They are going to totally extinguish the rage of voters with these no-objective 50501 and fight the oligarchy rallies.
Protest need demands - what are the democrats concrete demands?
Democrats aren't doing anything to help us. In fact they paved the way for Trump's policies. They could have done anything and still don't anything except pageantry.
What did Cory Bookers 28 hours speech that was applauded by democrats everywhere actually accomplish?
People, do not listen to this DNC propagandist. They will not tell you the whole truth simply because they don't understand and they don't care to.
I think I already said I’m not going to argue with your unhinged rhetoric.
if you truly believe what you just said, then i assume you are currently plotting to overthrow the current admin. otherwise, you're just an armchair quarterback or working for the other side.
Are you working to overthrow the current administration? Is that what all the gun talk is about?
Why haven't you taken action yet? Armchair qbing or paid shill?
i'm not an idiot. i'm a survivor. i don't fight losing battles. when the people are ready to fight, i'll be there. the people are not ready to fight yet.
your turn. how do we deal with the current situation if all the parties are equally bad? voting is obviously not an option by your account. what's your plan?
Make the people WANT to fight by realizing how trapped they are. First they must take off the blinders.
Build real offline community that seeks to listen to and understand others as opposed to blaming people who are not priveleged enough to see a difference between the GOP and DNC.
The GOP and DNC voters are like two American football teams fighting an injury filled battle while the owners of the team sit back comfortably making money, not giving a shit what happens as long as they keep making money. The NFL and sports media still win. In fact the worse it is the better for the media.
The most important piece is never ever again vote for a politician with ties to or who takes money from that evil, colonizing, corrupt theocracy in the Middle East currently engaged in a genocide. Relay this to as many people as possible. This is the most important by far.
something tells me you aren't american
When you are done on your soapbox, maybe talk about what can be done instead of who you blame.
The bed is made, all we have left to do now is lie in it.
Moving forward, the best thing that can happen from this is to ensure that those that caused it see the damage they helped create so that if we ever have the opportunity again, they’ll have learned from it.
And I’ll be on this soapbox until I feel like I’ve said my fucking peace.
Block me.
So what exactly are you doing to clean up the Democrat Party of a leadership who managed to lose against none other than Donald Trump, TWICE?
Or are you just another tribalist muppet that thinks "the chief is always right and needs not concede anything to anybody and it's everybody else who has to just do what the chief wants" hence rages against those who are not of your tribe and didn't follow the wishes of your "chiefs" rather than against your "chiefs" for not even trying to appeal to those other people?
Because it would've been way easier for the handful of people in the Democrat Party leadership to, rather than totally refusing to care as they did, listen to and start addressing the concerns of the millions who were hesitant in voting Democrat, than for those millions of voters to magically change their minds when the party which should have been trying to appeal to them couldn't give a rat's arse about their worries.
Singlehandedly giving .world it's reddit archetype.
Yawn…
"We should punish those who objected to a broken system" sounds pretty fascist to me.
They punished themselves just fine.
praise the lord, but really... it's time to think about what the people have to do to reign this nightmare in.
i agree with rhoeri, but you make an excellent point. the past is the past. we can learn from our mistakes when we have a future to look forward to.
