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Obviously not. Needlessly impolite.
Didn't mean it impolitely, only as a challenge to the point.
I’ll look up some statistics about voters’ views on this but I guess Lemmy gives me a bit of a warped view of people’s position on this. I did see one that backed up your point though yeah.
Yeah, like, I would love if anti-Israel views were more common, but... fuck, the past 40 years or so of propaganda have done a number on popular views.
I agree there is no choice but to vote Biden anyway but this is only because they are not willing to learn and apparently have absolutely no principles they won’t sell down the river for some short term convenience. It is embarrassing for all concerned and frankly it disgusts me to my core.
Unfortunately, people with principles in politics are the exception rather than the rule.
Didn't mean it impolitely, only as a challenge to the point.
No worries, it's not like you bombed a hospital so I guess we can move past it, lol.
Unfortunately, people with principles in politics are the exception rather than the rule.
Unfortunate is right. Not much solace for the people with relatives in Gaza or a child trapped under the rubble that was once his home. Sorry for sending the bombs guys but politics is broken, we don't have a viable alternative right now, try again in four years.
Yeah. It's fucked up.
Im not sure but I think most folks views on israel is they want nothing to with it or really the region. The country was artifically created but its been around and if you want to say the country should just leave as they are not the original people, well as an american I can't be that much of a hypocrite. Then you have the fact that nothing we have done in the region has ever resulted in good outcomes.
Man, I'm not one of those cretins who says "The Jews must be driven to the sea!" or any of that nonsense. I just think that Israel, as a functioning nation-state, needs to stop committing genocide, and I would really like if everyone here in the West was on the same page on that matter. I don't think that's a high bar to clear. Or at least, it shouldn't be.
I get you but again some of us just want nothing to do with it and not just them but the saudis and pakistan and all of it. Granted we are in so deep in this region and plenty of americans felt the same as we were getting involved. We are in the chains of our past. Keep in mind we were not looking to get involved in ww2 to rescue legitimate democracies much less the individual people and children suffering. Whats going on over there sucks but it always has and our interference, including now, has not resulted in better outcomes.
I mean, my position is that any aid should be conditional on humane and lawful treatment of the Palestinian nation, but the chances of that are so slim that my position is effectively that we should withdraw all Israeli aid. Not that we should intervene or land troops or anything.
for me its lets not do anything. sure if our ships or allies are being threatened we defend that but otherwise nothing. of course I would like us to do the same with egypt and turkey and such but that aint gonna happen. Heck I would prefer the UN only be made up of democracies. How can you have a democratically run institution with non democratic nations.