If they commit a crime then we can lock them up. If they don't then they have the same rights as you and me. And that is a GOOD THING.
So we can class them as a specific subgroup that we're allowed to mistreat and don't have the same rights as everyone else? We could make them wear little badges.
Trump could be the youngest presidential candidate in history and he would still be essentially just as bad. Possibly even worse. If Biden didn't have these excruciating moments where he seems super senior and gets incoherent he would be pretty good. Unless you happen to be a Palestinian obvs.
Anyway, people have higher standards for Biden and THEY SHOULD.
If you take a country "back to the stone age" it absolutely requires attacks on civilian infrastructure.
So any country that respects international law and human life could not in good conscience give them weapons or support to do this.
Gosh I wonder what Biden will do...
I wonder why no other country needs this kind of affirmation? 🤔🤔🤔 hmmmmmmm what a mystery
Can you elaborate?
Oh look the UN is telling Israel it needs to be better with aid workers. Shocking. I wonder why the UN are worried about that? Aren't they thinking of all the aid workers that weren't killed?! https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-hamas-war-news-06-25-2024-c6a905b264ddb827c087072968d681ce
How do you know that?
But that's the thing, you would be saying it's an accident but if it happens again and again, why should anyone believe you?
I never said they wanted to kill all aid workers. They had just killed 254 by when that report came out. You don't need to intend to kill all for it to be bad
Don't you know? If you don't want to believe something you can just make up your own facts and ignore everything else, even when people have been spoon-feeding you the correct information for literally months.
I'm just not impressed by 500 bodies in a warzone. It doesn't matter that they're volunteers.
Aid workers. Protected by international law. But also it's only about 250. I guess you are less "impressed" now as if that was the goal, lol.
500 died. Why do you ignore the tens of thousands who did not?
Yeah I broke your nose, but why are you ignoring the 205 bones I didn't break? Hopefully you can see how stupid a thing this is to say.
Just kidding it's because it doesn't fit your narrative of the evil Jewish aggressor and makes you sound hysterical and idiotic.
Please show me anywhere on my entire Lemmy account where I have said anything negative about Jewish people because they are Jewish and not just because the ones in the IDF are DOING WAR CRIMES and also happen to be Jewish. I never even mention this because it does not matter. You can tell this very easily because if you do look through my account you will see me criticise Hamas for their war crimes and the US political establishment for supporting Israel's war crimes.
I am anti asshole. Not anti Jewish.
And half of Gaza's water infrastructure being destroyed (based on BBC satellite photos and guesswork) also does not impress me
Wasn't trying to impress you. Just clarifying that I was not lying.
Oh no, poor Gaza. They gave all their water to terrorism and didn't save enough for themselves.
"Gave all their water to terrorism" - do you even hear yourself? Did the malnourished children "give" their water to Hamas? I can't even believe you're being serious here.
And like, Jesus fucking Christ. Did you read your own article? Did you look at the photograph in the very first picture in the article that shows the water tanks clearly were not targeted by Israel?
Yeah of course I did. It's the middle one here. How exactly does this show it's not been targeted? And if they really aren't targeting them, why have 53% been destroyed or damaged? Are they the worst army at aiming in the world or something?
No, of course you didn't, because it doesn't support your imaginary version of the evil Jew.
Are you saying I'm antisemitic for believing the FACT that Israel has damaged much of the water infrastructure in Gaza?
Yeah if you find some and give food, you should try to go every day at around the same time, if possible. They are good at learning routines and will remember you pretty quickly.
I made friends with some park crows like this. They are pretty comfortable with me now but still can't hand feed them or anything like that
But you are flat out lying. Gaza has built three desalinization plants in Gaza since this war has started. Every one of them built with charity. Every one of them built with materials that Israel allowed into the country. None of the three have been bombed.
Please read: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68969239
Yes two aid trucks, two accidents, neither one was covered up, the perpetrators were fired and will be prosecuted. That's normal for war.
And did you just ignore the hundreds of killed aid workers I mentioned (and linked a source for) in my last comment? You say just "two accidents" as if that's it.
What's not normal is a country that needs 500 aid trucks a day. Gaza has been dependent on handouts for decades
Lol I wonder why 🤣
Wow, two trucks blown up out of how many tens of thousands of trucks?
Don't be an idiot. They were travelling a "safe" route. They were coordinating their position with Israel. They were innocent aid workers. They should have never been killed. Making out it is fine because it's "rare" is ridiculous.
If you want to play numbers, Israel killed 254 aid workers up to the end of April.
You don't find your reaction a little hysterical?
"Hysterical"? No. I used no emotive language (apart from "massacre" which is generally how that event is referred to), I just listed some of the many facts that show Israel is the main problem for aid distribution. Calling this "hysterical" is a pathetic rhetorical trick to make out that that everyone else is "emotional" and you are "rational." It's embarrassing.
Hysterical would be: OMG those innocent aid workers were BUTCHERED by Israel, brutally killed in the prime of their life. This is the worst crime imaginable, can you think of how their parents feel?! These people are monsters, MONSTERS. Worse than Hitler. Like Satan himself. If you didn't cry about this you are SCUM.
I said they "were killed."
Totally emotionless.
What? There is less aid than before the war because there is a war. How does that not make sense to you?
It's totally possible to designate actual safe zones for humanitarian purposes and give these people aid. And "because there is a war" there is much more need for humanitarian aid. Because Israel has destroyed food production, water desalination plants and much more. But obviously you know that.
Israel increased the demand for aid, killed people distributing aid, stops much of the aid from getting in, and makes it impossible to safely get it (e.g. flour massacre) and you have the gall to say they "want" aid in. Give us a fucking break.
From here
Around 500 trucks with aid and other commercial supplies were entering Gaza daily before the conflict, when the enclave was also able to produce much of its food through agriculture and fishing, both of which have nearly entirely ceased.
UNRWA communications director Juliette Touma said both humanitarian and commercial supplies were needed for Gaza because the entire population was now dependent on handouts, which was not sustainable.
Down from 500 to 100 to 200 a day. Rarely (like in the linked story) more, often much less. Never 500 since October, despite calls from around the world.
This is why you fall back on pretending everyone arguing with you is overly emotional or just stupid. The facts are staring all of us in the face and we see it too clearly. You want to pretend this is "normal" but have to really double down in the face of such overwhelming evidence.
Is there a minimum "rate" for a genocide, then?
In the year 1,000,000 and a 1/2, humankind was enslaved by giraffes
Israel actually does care about getting aid into the country
Is this why there was the flour massacre and many others around that time, and why the WCK aid workers were killed? Oh yeah and why they said they were stopping all food and water? And why there is much less aid coming in than there was before the war even started, when the need was much lower?
Words are cheap. Israel's actions speak volumes.
Yeah I understand now, apologies for the mistake
Netanyahu, the Palestinians, and the price of neglect.
Archive: http://archive.today/Zm9yl
>One bright day in April 1956, Moshe Dayan, the one-eyed chief of staff of the Israel Defense Forces (IDF), drove south to Nahal Oz, a recently established kibbutz near the border of the Gaza Strip. Dayan came to attend the funeral of 21-year-old Roi Rotberg, who had been murdered the previous morning by Palestinians while he was patrolling the fields on horseback. The killers dragged Rotberg’s body to the other side of the border, where it was found mutilated, its eyes poked out. The result was nationwide shock and agony.
>If Dayan had been speaking in modern-day Israel, he would have used his eulogy largely to blast the horrible cruelty of Rotberg’s killers. But as framed in the 1950s, his speech was remarkably sympathetic toward the perpetrators. “Let us not cast blame on the murderers,’’ Dayan said. “For eight years, they have been sitting in the refugee camps in Gaza, and before their eyes we have been transforming the lands and the villages where they and their fathers dwelt into our estate.” Dayan was alluding to the nakba, Arabic for “catastrophe,” when the majority of Palestinian Arabs were driven into exile by Israel’s victory in the 1948 war of independence. Many were forcibly relocated to Gaza, including residents of communities that eventually became Jewish towns and villages along the border.
>Dayan was hardly a supporter of the Palestinian cause. In 1950, after the hostilities had ended, he organized the displacement of the remaining Palestinian community in the border town of Al-Majdal, now the Israeli city of Ashkelon. Still, Dayan realized what many Jewish Israelis refuse to accept: Palestinians would never forget the nakba or stop dreaming of returning to their homes. “Let us not be deterred from seeing the loathing that is inflaming and filling the lives of hundreds of thousands of Arabs living around us,’’ Dayan declared in his eulogy. “This is our life’s choice—to be prepared and armed, strong and determined, lest the sword be stricken from our fist and our lives cut down.’’
>On October 7, 2023, Dayan’s age-old warning materialized in the bloodiest way possible.
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>October 7 was the worst calamity in Israel’s history. It is a national and personal turning point for anyone living in the country or associated with it. Having failed to stop the Hamas attack, the IDF has responded with overwhelming force, killing thousands of Palestinians and razing entire Gazan neighborhoods. But even as pilots drop bombs and commandos flush out Hamas’s tunnels, the Israeli government has not reckoned with the enmity that produced the attack—or what policies might prevent another. Its silence comes at the behest of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who has refused to lay out a postwar vision or order. Netanyahu has promised to “destroy Hamas,” but beyond military force, he has no strategy for eliminating the group and no clear plan for what would replace it as the de facto government of postwar Gaza.
>His failure to strategize is no accident. Nor is it an act of political expediency designed to keep his right-wing coalition together. To live in peace, Israel will have to finally come to terms with the Palestinians, and that is something Netanyahu has opposed throughout his career. He has devoted his tenure as prime minister, the longest in Israeli history, to undermining and sidelining the Palestinian national movement. He has promised his people that they can prosper without peace. He has sold the country on the idea that it can continue to occupy Palestinian lands forever at little domestic or international cost. And even now, in the wake of October 7, he has not changed this message. The only thing Netanyahu has said Israel will do after the war is maintain a “security perimeter” around Gaza—a thinly veiled euphemism for long-term occupation, including a cordon along the border that will eat up a big chunk of scarce Palestinian land.
>But Israel can no longer be so blinkered.
Archived link: https://archive.is/20240129190423/https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-01-29/ty-article/.premium/top-members-of-far-right-swedish-party-with-neo-nazi-roots-meet-israeli-minister/0000018d-564e-d0fc-a9bd-5e5f9ff00000#selection-449.0-449.91 [https://archive.is/20240129190423/https://...
Step two: ???
Step three: profit
We've been giving them water in this tupperware all summer but now my bro apparently has his own plans