I don't like Joe Biden, I'll never forget the Neoliberal bullshit he did with the Republicans in the 90s we are still suffering from further eviscerating the safetynet to the draconian war on people suffering addiction. He's one of the OG former opposition party members the Reagan Revolution convinced to take the bigger bribe checks from Wall Street than Unions could ever match, today's neoliberal(D) party.
That said, I voted for him in the last election, and I will again out of harm reduction. He has improved on policy, but l even if he didn't, the American people do not get a vote on whether or not to elect a senile President this cycle.
You can have any President you like, as long as he's senile. If you vote, we'll get a senile President. If you don't, we'll get a senile President.
The question is whether you want senile and gleefully cruel(R), or just senile(D). I'll take just senile.
So the man has a stutter, and he's old, what ever. All I can do is cast my single vote. Last time, I voted against Trump, and honestly, even after the debate, I'll cast my vote this time for Biden.
I'd much rather cast my vote for Hakeem Jeffries, or Shift, or Bernie, or a dozen other people who aren't an option.
Thing is, I'm going to cast my vote in Cook county IL, so it literally won't matter. IL is going blue no matter what, and I feel like my participation is merely token.
I wish I could do more, I want to scream at clouds about what is happening to the country, and it doesn't matter.
Saw a stat that says Trump is 65% to win, and want to physically grab people and shake them, but what would it matter?
Had I walked into that debate blind, not knowing who those people are, what the "facts" and the facts are, I'd have thought, that Biden guy seems weak and befuddled, and boy that Trump is sure a confident leader. It made me feel sick.
As I told my mother today, I don't have kids, I live in the midwest, have a good job with a big stable company, truth is, even a second Trump term won't effect me that much. I can just sit back, enjoy my 30 so years left, and watch the world burn, but damn it, I have empathy for others, and there are many, many people whose lives and livelihood are going to be seriously impacted, and that bothers me.
People aren't even giving him crediting for beating Medicare!
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In all seriousness though, I just can't understand how someone can watch the 2020 debate and 2024 debate, and say the only thing wrong with Biden was his voice...
Like, he wasn't great in 2020, but 2024 made it sound like Obama in comparison.
No. Just no, dude. 64% of Democrats thought he was too old to run, and the party didn't even hold a primary. Then he walks out for his first debate and gives an incoherent performance that completely validates everyone's fears about his age, and you want to play it off with a, "bUt HeR eMaiLs!" meme? Screw that. We shouldn't be trying to convince people they didn't see what they saw, we should be figuring out how to get him off the fucking ticket.
We should all be screaming at the top of our lungs for Biden to drop out now. Fast. Throw in Newsom or Whitmer. I'll vote for either, doesn't matter.
This is a no brainer, and no loss. Either they do it which would be great, or we're stuck with biden anyway, who now looks to be much worse off against trump.
Everyone should be telling biden to drop out. Everyone everyone everyone. And loudly.
This whole night was so many layers of exhausting, but probably not for the reasons you think... No rational, serious person was expecting Biden to Willy Wonka front somersault into this debate? it was going to be what this was, the only true surprise was probably the volume of his voice (which they chalk up to a cold, okay fine, I guess) and actually how well he did quickly processing and responding to trump's gish gallop and unchecked stream of consciousness mistruth firehose with little help from the impotent moderators for the majority of the night.
The people in this country, in their immediate reaction to this debate, demonstrate that they just fundamentally lack the focus, empathv and frankly basic intelligence to process the substance of this or any debate. On average, we respond solely to voice pitch, tonality, body language and facial expressions, like a still developing toddler... Or a dog.
I have no faith in the future and only pray death is swift and merciful. I will vote Biden in hopes of delaying the inevitable another four years.
I was hoping that the Right's march into fascism was going to be the call to action that Americans needed to abandon them and push the country into being a proper developed nation....
Instead, people go along with it to own the libs, and the privileged who know better have the resources to stamp their foot and wait for a savior they should know will never come.
It wasn’t so much the voice that was the problem, it’s that his answers were often bad and totally incoherent.
If he was clear and concise, I’d deal with the raspy voice.
Except he didn't just have a raspy voice. He was mixing up words, rambling, even struggling to put full sentences together at points. And when he wasn't talking he looked to be spacing out at times, just trying to hold it together at others. His performance was as if he was fighting a very high fever, a migraine, and/or was trying not to puke the entire debate. I totally believe reports that he had a minor illness and was having an off day as a result, but unless he had something like the flu (in which case he wouldn't have been allowed on stage, certainly not that close to Trump) it would be completely reasonable to expect him to perform much better even while sick.
I think that matters to voters, because as president you don't get to take a sick day; shit goes down and you need to be there for it. Maybe he's not too old to be president on days when he's feeling well, but I think a lot of viewers last night thought he looked completely incapable of handling any kind of sudden crisis in his condition last night.
Obligatory: assuming he's still the nominee I'm voting for Biden in November anyway because all the alternatives suck more.
As an european, what scares me , it is that Biden is the ACTUAL president. If he suffers from dementia, who is really in charge now. Who takes the decisions? Usa are involved in at least two major wars and dictate the policy to the europeans. Who is responsible of that? If biden cannot be a candidate , why it is an actual president?
He needs to withdraw. He has to. The man looks like he's dying. It's time to stop playing pretend. This is fucking stupid. He's literally not physically capable of being president. He doesn't just have a raspy voice, he rambles incoherently, he can barely seem to register what's going on at any moment. He nods off in public. He's ancient. He should be no where near a political office.
If he runs he's handing Trump the presidency. And I don't even fully believe he cares. If he cared he would never have run in the first place. He also chose to hammer home on his unending support for Israeli colonialism and crimes against humanity. Just to further aleniate the progressives and moderates who want him to stand up for human rights.
I have no faith in him to drive a car let alone handle the political office of the presidency. He could be a literal corpse and he'd still get my vote over Trump. But you're asking people to vote for someone who is openly incapable of doing the job he's campaigning for. He HAS to step down. He CANNOT defeat fascism. He is not capable of it and he is so chronically neoliberal that he cannot even create a strong opposition to fascism.
We're all freaking the fuck out because this is the worst scenario. The one we ALL SAID WAS COMING. We were all told not to talk about how old he is Trump is old too and all that. And Trump absolutely is old but he's a fascist for one and fascists vote differently than anyone else does. But much worse he always rambles incoherently so standing next to Joe he looked as he normally does and Biden was the one who had visibly aged.
Enough is enough is enough he has to go. Where is the real political effort to have him withdraw. The clock is ticking until November and he HAS TO GO.
is there a way to prove content manipulation on a website ? Isn't reddit already super pro democrat... why is this fediverse and others being drowned in this bullshit ? Fuck them both biden and trump and us politicians, they are just puppets. The real masters are the corporations . I thought this website you would see more posts like reviving occupy wall street.
But the corporations they got the money....
If only that was an accurate summary of the flaming autopsy of a show.
I agree, better him than Trump, but let's not minimise Biden's interpretation of Monty Burns.
This demonstrates just how bad the copiate crisis has become among neolibs
Believe it or not, but candidates don't have to be set in stone. I'm no fan of "but we couldn't do anything about East Palestine" Buttigieg, but I'd take him over either leading candidate any day. I have an even lower opinion of Newsom, but I'd even pick him. Biden is no longer in a position to be a strong counter to Trump.
Edit: in anticipation of good faith questions, my top pick of all major democrats would be MN Governor Walz. I genuinely believe he is the most competent leader in the entire country at the moment, but he has absolutely no aspirations for presidency.
"I thought you said Hillary had a private email server?"
"Yeah, that too."
Am I the only one who remembers that Biden said he would only serve 1 term because the DNC pulled out more trickery to keep Brnie from winning?
They made sure to keep every other candidate up until super Tuesday and then all the other candidates pledged their votes to Biden. Warren made sure to stay in to keep those people who voted for her from voting for the only other progressive.
Harris had the worst showing of the last primary, so why should she be considered a frontrunner. The Democrats are running the same plan they did in 2016 and 2020, but we aren't Trump is a terrible position. U admit that he's a better choice than Trump, because any half-dead moderate Democrat is right-wing enough to be slightly better than Trump.
The DNC is too invested in their Corporate Pragmatism to realize that the only Corporate Elites backing Biden are doing it so that they have a modicum of morality. They don't mind Trump because Trump will give them everything.
The DNC spent too long slowing down the major Trump prosecutions so that they would happen this year instead of last year to help with the election which has backfired. They didn't have anyone to stand out in the last 4 years, just hoped and prayed that Biden would last.
We have 2 people who aren't fit for office to choose from. 1 is a degenerate compulsive liar and grifter, while the other has lost which century we belong too and keeps having senior moments. One will give us Project 2025 and try to declare himself president for life, while the other will not help the regular people because nobody in the Administration understands that Stock values are not a good economic metric for those who can't afford to invest because food, rent, Healthcare, and gas is too expensive for jobs that haven't had a major pay increase in a decade.
Yes I'll vote Biden, but we shouldn't be forced into this.
This post is Similar in vain to the "he had a cold" comments
A raspy voice and a wispy mind
Chase Oliver for President 2024!
It is insulting to suggest that this is why people won't vote for Butcher Biden. Then liberals wonder why Arab and Muslim Americans are disgusted not just by Biden but also by the Democratic base that enables the dehumanization of Palestinians.
To suggest that our opposition is merely over "stutter" or "dementia" implies that you don't see Palestinians as people or that their genocide as a valid concern.
