Unless that person is voting for a rapist, say like trump.
Feel free to shame anyone voting for a rapist. People who vote for rapists should be ashamed of themselves.
Being a rapist is barely even in the top three awful things about Trump. That's how bad he is.
Not sure sending weapons to a genocidal government is the best plan for keeping him out of the White House but hey what do I know
Unfortunately, sending weapons to a genocidal government is a non-partisan issue at the moment. A large majority of Democrats still support sending aid to Israel.
Change starts from the ground, not the top. As nice as it would be to get someone who supports all the rational causes we do into power, democracy means that we have to get the rest of the voters onboard first.
but that's what the post is saying. Yes, we know Trump is a fucking maroon, but saying that to Trump voters doesn't work.
The post is asking "Do you to tell them Trump sucks and they vote for Trump anyway, or do you want to lead with policy and potentially change their mind?"
Consider you're using an app, which you like, and someone says "Oh that app sucks." You'd think "ok guy!" But if someone said "oh if you like that app you should check out this one, it has twice the functions, and all these quality of life improvements, and it's more secure and doesn't have any ads" you'd think "my guy!"
just some food for thought.
but that’s what the post is saying. Yes, we know Trump is a fucking maroon, but saying that to Trump voters doesn’t work.
I don't think this meme is supposed to be about Trump voters.
Biden is a far better president and presidential candidate with progressive foreign and domestic policies that have tangibly and practically helped hundreds of millions of people.
So we already have that down.
Trump supporters and conservatives in general are clear that they don't care about policy as much as they care about idolizing someone who hurts other people.
So I think it's important that they know their candidate has been found liable for the extreme of hurting other people and actually committed rape.
If a conservative cares that much about hurting other people, it should be known widely and explicitly clear that they are supporting a rapist. That clashes more with their false, professed ideals than climate science they don't believe in or sustainable resource management or a higher value currency.
Meme is like saying politics doesn't work. Reckon with the consequences of your vote. It's a two party first past the post system. The math is not that complicated. Be honest about it.
Yeah, this post trying to pass the blame onto people who correctly recognize the consequences of the design of our electoral system seems shortsighted, but these are American voters after all.
It also assumes that the politics of whoever is reading it has "popular" policies. The country is very divided on what's "popular". The first step is advocating for your policies and convincing other people of it. It's a lot easier to just whine and complain and not try to change things and put the responsibility on others. Convincing others of your politics are your responsibility, not others.
"Oh wow, these fascist concentration camps we're being sent to are really bad, but have you considered that the democrat's foreign policy was only moderately less heinous, instead of significantly? Both sides!"
The Republicans are absolutely worse, yes, but voter apathy among leftists is 100% the fault of Dems. They do not try to garner support of leftists in any way, and voting for dems does not move America to the left, it just solidifies it in its current Neoliberal position.
The answer to leftist voter apathy is therefore not to shame them, but help them see that because voting will not move America to the left, it's purely loss prevention. People absolutely stand to lose under Trump, or any other Republican, so leftists should vote for the Neoliberals.
However, that alone is not enough. To move America to the left, the most effective path is via grassroots organization like Unionization and electing Socialists to local offices. Pressure the system from below and the top will follow.
That's how you appeal to leftists more, since the Dems seem keen on pissing on Leftists.
The Republicans are absolutely worse, yes, but voter apathy among leftists is 100% the fault of Dems. They do not try to garner support of leftists in any way, and voting for dems does not move America to the left, it just solidifies it in its current Neoliberal position.
Considering how far to the right America is, I'm gonna have to disagree about voting for Dems not moving America left. All things are relative, and relative to what we're facing down from the GOP, the milquetoast neolib Dems look like Vladimir fucking Lenin.
The answer to leftist voter apathy is therefore not to shame them, but help them see that because voting will not move America to the left, it’s purely loss prevention. People absolutely stand to lose under Trump, or any other Republican, so leftists should vote for the Neoliberals.
The point of the shame is that they're refusing to engage in loss prevention. That loudmouths on here would prefer to uphold some ideal of "I'm not going to vote for anyone except those who agree with me completely, no matter who suffers because of it!" and need to be fucking shamed. It's lack of shame that enables them to indulge in purist and accelerationist fantasies at the expense of the actual wellbeing of minority and oppressed groups.
However, that alone is not enough. To move America to the left, the most effective path is via grassroots organization like Unionization and electing Socialists to local offices. Pressure the system from below and the top will follow.
I agree.
You mean the fascists that democrats support in primaries because they're "unelectable"? Democrats can eat shit, same with any of their voters who are deluded enough to think that people unwilling to vote for senile genocidal nazis and their collaborators are the real fascists
"Oh wow we're getting genocided but at least CNN can attend the white house's press meetings"
What, do you think that if Biden loses, the Israelis are going to... what? Genocide the Palestinians less?
Vote shaming doesn't work because people are stubborn and annoying, not because it's theoretically unsound. Although yes, adopting popular policies would be good as well.
I don't understand it but apparently most people respond to shame by doubling down.
Instead of "dude I can't believe you voted for trump. He's a rapist failed business man who wants to destabilize Europe and be a dictator" doesn't yield "yeah I fucked up" in most people, but instead "no you're an asshole and I did nothing wrong!"
Admitting fault is a power move and more people should embrace it.
To shame someone, he must already agree with you that what he did is wrong, and consider you morally supperior. You can brute-force it with small children, because these propositions hold. Adults will just think you're an asshole.
Shame is psychologically painful - or brain will do amazing things to avoid that pain. You're right that admitting fault is a power move, but it requires being able to cope with that potential pain and move forward. Easier to just assert the other person is wrong and avoid that pain completely.
This is a generic statement for a generic time with generic candidates, we're not in that time - If any of you are starting to have your memories fade, here's a quick refresher to read this morning and then copy and send to anyone that needs the refresher
- 0 re-elections won
- 1 term president
- 2 times impeached
- 3 marriages
- 4 inch lifts in his shoes
- 5 kids, from 3 different mothers
- 6 bankruptcies
- 7 US Capitol police suing him for Jan 6 terrorist insurrection and murder of police
- 8 trillion + dollars added to the US debt in a single term
- 9 trump lawyers sanctioned by federal judge for lying in frivolous election fraud lawsuits and ordered to pay defendant's legal fees
- 10 years that trump paid $0 in income taxes between 2000 and 2015. ($0 to cops, teachers, roads, prisons, disaster relief, etc)
- 11 trump associates charged with serious crimes over the past 5 years
- 12 million votes (the big lie) - trump claims he won the 2020 election by 12 million votes when in reality, he lost by about 7 million votes.
- 13 of August, 2021 - one of multiple days that trump was supposed to magically become president again according to Qanon and a crack addicted pillow salesman (the two most respected information sources in the gop)
- 14 year old girl in a youth choir that trump approached in 1992 to say, "Wow! Just think - in a couple years I'll be dating you."
- 15 originally confirmed cases of COVID in the US trump said would soon be, “down to close to zero.” followed by, “like a miracle, it will disappear.” - over 1,000,000 Americans have since died of COVID as it continues to kill years later.
- 16 years old - age of daughter ivanka when she hosted "miss teen" pageant and, according to long time trump associate Noel Casler, "trump called her over in the middle of a rehearsal and had her give him a lap dance while he leered at the crew."
- 17 known trump and russia investigations from local, state and federal prosecutors
- 18 gop senators that ignored trump threats / warnings and supported Biden admin's infrastructure bill.
- 19 as in COVID19 - trump was verified as the single largest source of disinformation on the virus, with a Cornell study claiming that 38% of the "misinformation conversation" originated with trump
- 20 the day in January, 2021, when Biden was sworn in despite trump inciting a violent insurrection to stop election verification at the US Capitol.
- 21 gun salute that trump ordered for himself when he left office after a humiliating defeat, even though he never served in the military, famously called military members "losers" and "suckers" and actively avoided the draft with a cowardly "bone spurs" excuse.
- 22 date in August, 2021, when Alabama hate rally crowd booed trump for finally saying people should get vaccinated, only after 700,000 Americans have died due mostly to his failure as president
- 23 as in wrestlemania 23 in 2007 where trump, a cartoon level failure with no other prospects, participated in a fake bet that a proxy wrestler would win a fake fight on his behalf or he would shave his wig and hair plugs off.
- 24 day in August, 2021, when trump actually filed a lawsuit in Florida court against YouTube, a private company, demanding that they reinstate his YouTube channel like a desperate, irrelevant embarrassment with no platforms left to abuse.
- 25 plus credible sexual assault allegations against trump, spanning decades and with accusers starting as young as 13 years old at time of assault.
Sounds like fascist propaganda to me but ok
Well, that's because it is.
So.... you're saying.... I should get compromat on Biden... is what you're saying?
I mean, unironically, it would be great if someone used compromat for good for once.
Probably. The problem is... anybody who'd use it for good... probably sucks at the whole corruption thing
Vote shaming doesnt work because YOU lack the critical comprehension skills to accept criticism. This meme look like it was made by someone on the right.
Here's the source, a leftist meme account: https://www.instagram.com/memeindustrialcomplex
