Nex Benedict died one day after a fight in a school bathroom. Their mother Sue Benedict tells Bevan Hurley that the gender fluid teenager endured more than a year of abuse simply for being who they were
They aren't using whatever bathrooms they want. They are using the bathroom that people of their gender are supposed to use.
And their "gender" is whatever they want it to be so, yes they are.
But do explain to us why you want this man to be in a women's bathroom.
I mean this is an anecdote. And an exceptional one at that. I can show you a dozen women who look like men. Women like the one in the OP who was beaten to death in a women's bathroom.
And their “gender” is whatever they want it to be so, yes they are.
No.
Their gender is not a choice.
Do you think being gay is a choice as well?
I mean this is an anecdote. And an exceptional one at that. I can show you a dozen women who look like men. Women like the one in the OP who was beaten to death in a women’s bathroom.
I see, so it's okay for trans people to use the bathroom of their gender as long as they don't look like they're trans.
Sorry... are you now saying that being trans is a choice because some people pretend to be trans? Also, how exactly do you take advantage of women by pretending to be trans?
You didn't answer my question-What was your argument if not that women would be uncomfortable because he looked like a man? That's some weird TERF shit.
Sorry, can you unpack exactly what you think being trans is, please? You've gestured in a couple of directions this thread, but I'd rather have a direct explicit answer than trying to infer it and possibly be wrong.
Could we not just have gender neutral bathrooms? ie. A hallway/long room with 5 doors on each side and behind each of those doors you have a sink/toilet/urinal. Each door is actually a door from floor to ceiling.
Absolutely, no pretending here, bullying is a larger systemic issue that requires many different approaches to solve. It's not a one size fits all solution in a sense and requires all of us as a society to work together.
Just as there are many different types of bullies, there are many different vectors of bullying, such as in person, online, or indirect. Each would need a different approache to mitigate.
I don't think anyone is saying changing bathrooms will end bullying. Judging by the conversation I'm seeing I think most people are upset that a child in a government institution was physically beaten to death.
Although based on your comment it doesn't seem like you're on the same page as those people.
This whole post and all its threads are a ducking train wreck.
Anyway... Looking beyond the headline "Oklahoma governor Kevin Stitt signed a bill that required public school students to use bathrooms that matched the sex listed on their birth certificates."
I think that's fucked because it others trans people and sends the message that hating trans people is ok. And I think that makes assholes more likely to be violent towards trans people.
And also a trans kid in this was beaten to death, and might have survived had the school called a goddamn ambulance, or if they had done anything to counter anti-trans hate.
Idk what the duck do you want to hear exactly?
That we should force trans kids to use the bathroom of their birth certificate sex? Or that we shouldn't?
Maybe instead of dancing around with questions just state your opinion?
I want to hear exactly what I asked for. That the author is dishonestly blaming this senseless death on bathroom laws. That they're rage-baiting to feed the machine that stifles any sort of progress.
I want to hear an actual answer to the questions I ask instead of deflection.
I want you to acknowledge disinformation, even when it comes from "your side".
No, but I don't see why that's a reason not to allow people to use the bathroom that aligns with their gender identity. Do you have an actual argument you wanted to make, or are you just asking stupid questions?
When the state shows solidarity with anti-trans bigots it emboldens those bigots to act out.
Anyway your comment distracts from the real issue.
Some people hate trans people enough to kill them just for existing. That is patently wrong, outrageous, disgusting, immoral, sickening, and horrific.
If I see anyone insulting, injuring, or harassing a person with bigoted insults, I will be compelled to do something to stop it. I'm fucking sick to death of fucking nazis acting with impunity. They need to creep back into the sewers where they came from and STFU.
I've been extremely specific about my concern. If you want to cover your eyes and pretend you can't see it, that's not something I can help you with. Goodbye.
Your argument has basically been "anti-trans bathroom rules didn't actually kill this child, so I don't care that this child is dead", and you're getting downvoted because that's a disgusting stance for anyone to take. Everyone can plainly see that transphobia motivated these bathroom rules, as well as the attack that lead to a dead child.
While everyone else rightfully condemns hate, you're in here spewing it. Now make good on your "goodbye" and go the fuck away.
"The bullying had started in earnest at the beginning of the 2023 school year, a few months after Oklahoma governor Kevin Stitt signed a bill that required public school students to use bathrooms that matched the sex listed on their birth certificates."
Nex was assaulted in the bathroom. The article doesn't go into detail, but based on context, Nex outwardly appeared like a boy, but was forced the use the girls bathroom. Laws that don't specifically call for inequality can still be used to harass very targeted and specific group. This is why getting rid of ridiculous bathroom bills is important, and this is why Republicans push so hard to implement them. It's not about creating safer environment for most people, but about creating a very obvious, uncomfortable, and unsafe environment for a very specific group of people, in this case, transgender and non-binary people.
Nex outwardly appeared like a boy, but was forced the use the girls bathroom.
Okay? I supposed if they used the boys' bathroom they would have been fine? Because teenage boys are known for their kind nature and never physically bully anyone? And they totally wouldn't have been even more susceptible to bullying?
And I suppose teenage boys would never abuse this new law to be granted access and harass girls in the girls' bathroom?
Again, this is speculation. I think the article correctly refuses to identify Nex's apparent and "legal" gender.
I supposed if they used the boys’ bathroom they would have been fine?
Yes, probably. The 3 older girls probably would not have assaulted Nex in the boys bathroom.
Because teenage boys are known for their kind nature and never physically bully anyone?
Empty rhetorical question with no relevancy to the problem at hand.
And they totally wouldn’t have been even more susceptible to bullying?
More empty rehtoric. Disregarding.
And I suppose teenage boys would never abuse this new law to be granted access and harass girls in the girls’ bathroom?
Mostly empty rhetoric here, but the data does not support the argument that boys are temporarily claiming to be girls so they can hang out in the girls bathroom. It's not like there is some kind of physical barrier preventing people of the incorrect gender from entering a bathroom, you can just walk right in. If a woman goes into the women's bathroom, and peeps on other women who are just trying to shit in peace, she would get reported, and should suffer the same consequences as man that goes in the women's bathroom to peep.
Yes, probably. The 3 older girls probably would not have assaulted Nex in the boys bathroom.
LOL you're intentionally reframing the question and ignoring the new potential issue you know exists, and examining the situation with a pinhole POV. You're obviously not interested in an honest discussion.
Empty rhetorical question with no relevancy to the problem at hand.
LOL of course it's relevant. Your assertion (and the author's) is that Nex would have somehow been safer in a boys' bathroom, because of their physical appearance. As if boys are somehow less likely to beat on a trans kid.
More empty rehtoric. Disregarding.
Why am I not surprised that you're "disregarding" pressing questions about your narrative.
the data does not support the argument that boys are temporarily claiming to be girls so they can hang out in the girls bathroom.
Right, and what "data" supports the idea that genderless bathrooms are safer for trans people?