Women-only social media app Giggle for Girls taken to court by transgender woman Roxanne Tickle after her account was restricted
Women-only social media app Giggle for Girls taken to court by transgender woman Roxanne Tickle after her account was restricted
Social media platform Giggle for Girls is being sued by transgender woman Roxanne Tickle after her access to the women-only app was revoked. The app's owner has denied Ms Tickle is a woman.
- In short: Transgender woman Roxanne Tickle is suing social media platform Giggle for Girls after she was excluded from the women-only app.
- She is alleging unlawful discrimination on the basis of gender identity while the app's founder has denied she is a woman.
- What's next? The hearing is expected to run for four days.
A transgender woman who was excluded from a women-only social media app should be awarded damages because the app's founder has persistently denied she is a woman, a Sydney court has heard.
In February 2021, Roxanne Tickle downloaded the Giggle for Girls social networking app, which was marketed as a platform exclusively for women to share experiences and speak freely.
Users needed to provide a selfie, which was assessed by artificial intelligence software to determine if they were a woman or man.
Ms Tickle's photograph was determined to be a woman and she used the app's full features until September that year, when the account became restricted because the AI decision was manually overridden.
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What’s the point of a woman’s only app (or any women’s only space) if they let anyone in simply based on them saying ‘I’m a woman’?
Dude, there's like four sentences and they're all on this page and it says it takes an AI assessed picture of your face to determine if you're a woman. Why are people so fucking lazy and snarky?
The question you have to ask here is “if anyone can just sign up then how was she noticed, and if they spend any time verifying then how did they not realize she was very serious about her womanhood?”. She’s had gender-affirming surgery and you’re really out here saying “if they let anyone in simply based on them saying ‘I’m a woman’?”.
They’re clearly doing some work here and not doing it very well. And you’re missing very important facts.
Because she is a woman. It's really that simple.
trans woman*
Trans woman = woman, I fail to see your point.
Help me understand. You are saying there is absolutely no difference between a woman and a trans woman?
They are saying that all women — cis and trans — are women. It doesn’t mean or imply that trans women and cis women have no differences.
I must be confused about what an equal sign means then.
Trans women = women
Cis women = women
Cis women ≠ trans women
False, the '=' is transitive, meaning:
A = B and B = C implies A = C
The symbol you meant to use is the implication arrow: =>
Trans women => women
Cis women => women
Black women => women
Lesbian women => women
This means: If the left statement is true, the right statement must also be true. If the left statement is false, you don't know whether the right statement is true or false.
I would just use the subset symbol ⊆. I think it makes more sense here.
You're right, I don't have that on my keyboard though
Besides, a ∈ A ⊆ B => a ∈ B, so what I wrote is not THAT nonsensical
Can you link me to something about the "implication arrow"?
I would have used the subset symbol ⊆.
Did you understand what I was saying?
Yes?
Then it's true. This isn't a math class in university this is a conversation on Lemmy. You understood the point so my message was conveyed.
transfone!
I don't mean to be a pedant but that math doesn't make much sense.
Could you explain what part of it doesn't make sense to you? (Or what part you disagree with) Maybe one of us can clarify better if we start there
Literally do not care I'm not in a math class I'm on Lemmy. I conveyed the point and you understood it so it did make sense. Learn how language and communication works.
You're being intentionally dense. Different adjectives can apply to the same noun without implying those adjectives are the same thing. It's extremely basic grammar.
"X is Y" in English translates mathematically to "X is a subset of Y"
Here's an example written out in plain English. You can do the exercise of translating it to math terms to see how it makes sense.
- A square is a polygon
- A triangle is a polygon
- A square is not a triangle
Am I the same as you absolutely? No? Ok but we are both humans, right?
When assigning things to categories we make lists of properties. So yes there are differences but those aren't the criteria of assignment. A 90 year old cis woman and a 19 year old cis woman are both still woman despite them having differences.
Removed for saying "Help me understand. You are saying there is absolutely no difference between a woman and a trans woman?"
The mods really want to push the narrative that there is a 1:1 equivalence between trans women and natural women.
None of this is transphobic. They just don't want anyone to question their narrative because they are biased and want to control people's perception.
This mod team sucks.
I bet you would equally have a problem with the phrase "women are women" because there is no 1:1 equivalence between two women. Ask yourself why "natural" has to be added in the response when it wasn't in the original statement?
Saying women=women would be an accurate statement.
It is unfortunate that people are being attacked for asking questions. It is very toxic here.
Please define what a 'natural woman' is. Specifically. Is it chromosomes? Is it anatomy?
Maybe because everything about the space still caters to women's concerns, and the presumption for a random-ass social media app should be that your appearance doesn't determine your intent? If somebody's daily life is being a woman, then why the fuck should it matter which parts they have? Are you also going to exclude gay women, or women who cut their hair short, or women who choose not to have kids? After all, they're not having all the same issues that long-haired cis-het mothers have.
Not to mention it's a technologically stupid gate to keep. In what fucking world does it deter anyone who is willing to be dishonest?
Sexism.
You can still be sexist without an app. It is a great leveler in humanity. No effort at all to hate someone for whatever reason you want whenever you want.