After the Trump verdict, most Republicans say they're OK with having a criminal as president | YouGov
After the Trump verdict, most Republicans say they're OK with having a criminal as president | YouGov
Since the conviction, Republicans' views have shifted in a way that puts the guilty verdict in a more favorable light and keeps Trump's candidacy viable.
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They're okay with it because they know this was nothing more than political persecution
"Joe Biden or anyone from his Justice Department has absolutely zero to do with the Manhattan District Attorney office, they have no jurisdiction over him, they have no contact with him, they have no control certainly over him. So to say that Joe Biden brought this case is one of the most ridiculous thing I’ve heard. We know that’s not the case and even Trump’s lawyers know that’s not the case.”
— Former Trump lawyer Joe Tacopina, quoted by NBC News. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/former-trump-lawyer-says-ridiculous-biden-involved-hush-money-rcna155272
You are repeating a story designed for the rubes.
You are repeating a story designed for the rubes.
Trying to shame conservatives like this doesn't work. They're actively proud of being gullible, stupid, victims to their celebrities. It's their entire identity. They see this and think "hell yeah, you don't want me repeating the story?? I better do it harder anyway!" - it doesn't matter that you are actually saying "btw this makes you look very dumb and gullible", all they heard was "i don't like this", and since you're The Enemy™, they love what you don't and hate what you do, and they double down on whatever it was, to Win Harder™.
This is why they'll often seem to take self-defeating or self-contradictory positions, and if you point that out, they take it as winning against you twice (instead of proving themselves wrong) and go straight to calling you a loser and patting themselves on the back.
That's why you hit them where it hurts. Into their little fragile egos, don't even take them serious. Laugh at their face, show them they're just clowns, dumber than monkeys
That's how I "argue" with people that don't act in good faith anyway. It works because "winning" is sooo important to them but those idiots aren't even close to would be competition anyway
It's like when that one uncle does something stupidly embarrassing in public, but you're less embarrassed at what he's doing/saying and more at how absolutely stupid it's making HIM look and by extension you for being with him in this public setting. Then he doubles down and decides to keep doing it over and over because he's "just messing with you" and by the end everyone in the room, thinks he's a moron, and you've lost all respect for him.
That's MAGA idiots.
I love how you people don't even question your own absurd narratives. Just pure self-righteous arrogance and the certainty that everyone but you is stupid. You're utterly incapable of even considering people who disagree with you as fully human, and then are legitimately surprised when the people you look down on with arrogant contempt loathe and hate you.
You're utterly incapable of even considering people who disagree with you as fully human
I've said and believe nothing of the sort. you're confusing my ideology with the fascist dehumanizing ideology your party espouses to justify inhuman practices against foreigners and domestic minorities.
surprised when [we] loathe and hate you
this doesn't surprise me at all. your entire political ideology would collapse if you didn't unconditionally loathe someone. you're putting the cart before the horse.
certainty that everyone but you is stupid
well, if someone does things that are really stupid over and over, is told that they're stupid and provided evidence accordingly, but continues to do so anyway... quacks like a duck, looks like a duck, probably is. it's hard to see it otherwise. I actively try to remember there's a real person with a rich internal life on the other end, despite what you think otherwise, and despite the lack of reciprocal consideration from Republicans.
I’ve said and believe nothing of the sort.
So you didn't say "They’re actively proud of being gullible, stupid, victims to their celebrities?" Because it's right there on my screen and I was able to copy and paste it from your comment, which shouldn't be possible if you didn't say it.
this doesn’t surprise me at all. your entire political ideology would collapse if you didn’t unconditionally loathe someone.
You're projecting. It's your political ideology that is based on unconditional hatred. I doubt you could even begin to explicate the conservative ideology in broad strokes, let alone specifics. Like many liberals, you think conservatism is entirely an expression of bigotry and closed-mindedness. That is a deeply ignorant and self-congratulatory belief that people like you cling to because it prevents you from questioning your own ideology, and is, in fact, an expression of your own close-minded bigotry.
I actively try to remember there’s a real person with a rich internal life on the other end
Wow, You have really pulled the wool over your own eyes. You reduce everyone on the right to idiots who are proud to be gullible victims, and then pretend you try to think of your political enemies as people with actual internal lives? No you don't. Stop bullshitting yourself.
So you didn't say "They’re actively proud of being gullible, stupid, victims to their celebrities?"
i did indeed say that. what I didn't say - and what I was clearly referring to with that quote you've pulled about me not saying a thing - is that I don't view them as human, as you insinuated I said. if that's your interpretation, you are incorrect. perhaps you've gotten confused by which part of my response correlates to which part of your messages. or perhaps you're intentionally misconstruing it to make it appear as though you're "dunking on me", as usual for arguments with conservatives.
I doubt you could even begin to explicate the conservative ideology in broad strokes
i doubt it too, because there is a constant fundamental disconnect between what conservatism purports to be and what it actually practices. I doubt it's possible for you to explicate it either in a way that isn't immediately contradicted with the actions taken by your leaders and community, too. the closest thing to a stable ideology conservatism has had in the past 20 years is "liberals are the enemy: do the opposite of whatever they say, even if we were telling you to do it 10 minutes ago".
No you don't. Stop bullshitting yourself.
perhaps I should have emphasized "try". it gets harder with every interaction with yet another deranged conservative lunatic who wants to make me illegal or dead because my mere quiet existence is somehow a threat to their misplaced feelings of superiority. I'm only human.
i'm sleepy so let's wrap it up like you all like to do: This has been fun, thanks for taking the L.
what I didn’t say - and what I was clearly referring to with that quote you’ve pulled about me not saying a thing - is that I don’t view them as human, as you insinuated I said. if that’s your interpretation, you are incorrect.
I said "You’re utterly incapable of even considering people who disagree with you as fully human." What I meant is that you see them as "actively proud of being gullible, stupid, victims to their celebrities," which portrays them as less than fully human. You are viewing them as caricatures of people, not as people.
i doubt it too, because there is a constant fundamental disconnect between what conservatism purports to be and what it actually practices. I doubt it’s possible for you to explicate it either in a way that isn’t immediately contradicted with the actions taken by your leaders and community, too.
Conservative ideology emphasizes the preservation of traditional institutions, values, and practices, advocating for a cautious approach to change. It values individual responsibility, limited government intervention, free-market economics, and the protection of personal freedoms. Conservatives often stress the importance of maintaining social order, national security, and a strong sense of community and cultural heritage. They believe that established traditions and institutions are time-tested and should be upheld to ensure societal stability and continuity.
Any contradictions are likely explained by a liberal's misunderstanding of the concept of personal freedoms, which is best understood as the freedom to act within the bounds of moral behavior. Because conservatives value sanctity and liberals do not (see Haidt), liberals are often confused why conservatives can claim to value freedom while seeking to repress sacrilegious activities.
i’m sleepy so let’s wrap it up like you all like to do: This has been fun, thanks for taking the L.
When you have to declare premature victory, you are only making it obvious you can't defend yourself.
Because conservatives value sanctity and liberals do not (see Haidt), liberals are often confused why conservatives can claim to value freedom while seeking to repress sacrilegious activities.
It sounds like you're just describing/defending Christofascism. You don't get to define my morality and then claim it's freedom.
Yup. Completely impossible that conservatives contradict themselves.
You're in a cult.
We'll see if they turn over the communications between the Whitehouse and the DA's, which I doubt they will do. And you'd have to be pretty naive to think that the number 3 guy in the justice department just decided right before the Trump trial to demote himself to work for the local DA in New York that just happened to be the same office that persecuted Trump. Why would anyone ever do something like that?
Then why was Michael Cohen convicted? Was that a political persecution too, or are you just crying foul because somebody finally held your knuckle-dragging god king to account for once in his miserably pathetic fucking existence?
9 jurors agreed on by both prosecution and defense decided unanimously that the crimes occurred and he was guilty of them. How is that political?
12 jurors, my dude.
Well, his username checks out.
Even better... I'm cracking up over here.
It's political because the person you're responding to is a fucking moron.
Oh look, the newest entrant for my right-wing nut tag!
Btw, you missed the exit for Twitter/Truth Social, it's back there
What a nice feature! I wish I had that.
Ty for the tip!
Ugh I gotta buy a subscription to tag in Sync
I thought it was just a feature of Lemmy, but ig it's a Boost built-in feature lol
This reminds me of the flat earthers or the moon landing conspiracy theorists. At some point, the number of people colluding becomes so great, it must be a miracle.
Not a miracle, it's what you call corruption
If it were political, then Michael Cohen wouldn't have been prosecuted and imprisoned for the same crime, in which Donald Trump was "Individual 1".
That was 2018, who was President in 2018? 🤔
Proof?