Honest question: what is your ideas for a solution in Palestine/Israel
Honest question: what is your ideas for a solution in Palestine/Israel
First off, I’m truly asking this in good faith, please be nice but correct me too on anything I saw that’s stupid.
As an anarchism, my ideal solution for Palestine is a no-state solution where people are allowed to move freely, interact freely, and work being done on both sides to heal from the decades of conflict and live in one society.
Now you folks (I love you folks) aren’t all anarchists and I’d love to hear your thoughts. Sometimes I’ll see people saying that all Israelis should just move somewhere else, but I think that’s really dumb. Both sides seem to be operating on the assumption that the other group will leave, which in my opinion is just as racist thinking as saying all the Palestinians should just leave.
So what are the tankie’s (/j) thoughts.
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Since Israel has spent 40 years making two states, one for each side impossible, the only solution now is a single state that guarantees equal rights for all citizens, and is dedicated to a truth and reconciliation process where the old injustices of both sides are resolved.
It would be named Palestine
Pretty close to my answer. Lacking the privileges of an ethnostate, a steady trickle of Israelis leave for other nations. The resources that had been devoted to a massive military can now be dedicated to the necessary infrastructure (sewage treatment, desalinization, etc.) for a densely populated region.
Why do they need a state to have equal rights for all and reconcile and resolve the injustices of both sides? Wouldn't it be less likely to backslide into authoritarianism if there wasn't a state at all?
Edit: This is intenionally constructed to be a baby-leftist question to help OP get up to speed.
It will be much more likely to "backslide into authoritarianism" if it's unable to defend itself from inevitable US subversion.
Wouldn't it be less likely to backslide into authoritarianism if there wasn't a state at all?
I don't think that's a reasonable assumption. In the absence of a state all that would happen is the one ethnic group with the majority of the resources and the majority of the military equipment will just form a state and go back to exterminating the other ethnic group
Yeah it's so simple, why not simply abolish the state? Perhaps in the next 24 hours? It's not like it's the manifestation of irreconcilable class differences or anything.
So true bestie... I mean isn't like the state, you know, uh
the reconciliatory power of government, not the political domination of the ruling class...
Are you serious?
Not entirely: I saw that OP was an anarchist, so I doubt they'd just accept that a state is going to be able to accomplish those things.
The answer is to disabuse anarchists of their folly, not to entertain it.
disabuse anarchists of their folly
Timer till the mods take this comment down.
Edit: Ayyyyyyye! Called it.
General Rules
- No disabusement.
Hey that’s the first time I’ve made a post where the mods didn’t like something someone said!
If you haven't pissed off the mods at least twice what kind of HexBear poster are you?
i have done it precisely twice! Hell yeah, i'm a real poster, ma!
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someone called?
Sorry. It was a mistake on my part, and I should have waited for OP to actually broach the subject instead of trying to preempt it. There's a good chance I could even be misrepresenting them with my intentionally bird-brained question.
Nah think what you did is fine, you just should have made it clear this was you making an argument you don't actually agree with to see what people's potential responses were.
I was very confused by your statement coming from a @lemmygrad.
Eh it’s a fair point. I’m an anarchist but I certainly don’t believe in an immediate revolution™ which is going to come and violently overthrow the global capitalistic hegemony. 3/4 of the revolution is prefiguration and building alternative structures and the rest might look more like a normal revolution.
Anyways, realistically, the best solution for Palestine at the moment is a one state solution, I agree.
Ye playin' devil's advocate?
I think more anticipating questions OP might ask.
