"You're not supposed to be so blind with patriotism that you can't face reality. Wrong is wrong, no matter who says it"
"You're not supposed to be so blind with patriotism that you can't face reality. Wrong is wrong, no matter who says it"
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Literally all you post about is "don't vote Biden".
You always capitalise Russia, but then generalise "the west".
You never go against Trump or the Republicans. Always just "don't vote Democrats".
And weirdly you seem to try this "both sides" bullshit even when you do the rare comment about something other than "don't vote genocide Joe", like in this thread where you're talking about the Russo-Ukrainian war carefully without taking a side on the issue.
So, how would one recognise an actual Russian troll, btw? Like... they probably wouldn't admit to being one, would they?
Yeah this account basically just flipped to constantly posting Israel war memes a month ago.
Along with quite a few others. Before that, it was all economy all the time
You specifically should know better.
Let's say this:
I have no idea if you are a shill or a genuine person. But, there are some behaviors that are bad things to do regardless of which you are:
- Recasting your opponents' views as other ones that make less sense and are easier to argue against, consistently, as a way of muddling the discourse, instead of being honest about what you're saying and what you are disagreeing with and why, and just letting your point of view speak for itself whether or not I personally would agree with it
- Consistently posting a drumbeat of memes in support of your viewpoint (within that same dishonest framing)
I mean, you can do what you want to do. I'm not gonna try to tell you you are or aren't allowed to say whatever suits you. But to me, saying "fuck the whole US politics join my coalition for positive change we need a level of change that the current system will not allow" would make sense. Sounds great. I actually would be right there in that coalition. Anything from Bernie Sanders to Ralph Nader to someone further out-there who is working for something to produce actual change in some other way.
But if instead of that, you misrepresent the "other side"'s viewpoint "fascism is so bad that we need to resist it even if the alternative involves continuing the US's longstanding policy of allowing some war crimes," as if it was "I <3 war crimes and genocide", and post a drumbeat of attack against specifically the least war-crime-friendly big contingent in US politics, I think people will wind up accusing you of bad faith. They've got a right to say that too.
I mean, does that seem fair? If you were posting a big stream of memes about how to put pressure on Biden to do more (like, a fuck of a lot more) to stop the crimes, or in favor of some faction that was plausibly able to produce a better outcome, I don't think you would be getting near this level of derisive responses. But the message you're sending doesn't match the outcome you say you want. I think that's why you are getting these maybe unfair accusations.
I have no idea if you are a shill or a genuine person. But, there are some behaviors that are bad things to do regardless of which you are:
Recasting your opponents’ views as other ones that make less sense and are easier to argue against, consistently, as a way of muddling the discourse, instead of being honest about what you’re saying and what you are disagreeing with and why, and just letting your point of view speak for itself whether or not I personally would agree with itoh my fuck. this is gold. screenshot, archive.org, federate. put it on a tshirt. use it as a new isntance url.
I have no idea if you are a shill or a genuine person.
Look at their user name.
Mozz around libbing all over the place trying to adhomming every leftist and making sure to push rape conspiracies for israel.
Haha, good one coming from you Linkerbaan
You said, how could anyone have assaulted this woman (or anyone else involved in this discussion), when I just saw a photo of her, and she doesn't look pregnant to me.
But sure, I'm the Charlie Kelly in this mailroom. Okay. I wasn't even gonna bring it up again.
I'm unsure why your favorite pastime is writing 7 paragraph long essays that fail basic fact checks which sole purpose appears to be to defend Joe Biden committing Genocide.
- Favorite pastime
- I'm a little skeptical that it's any kind of productive use of time, too, but someone is paying for organized propaganda operations on Lemmy which honestly is a little surprising to me but seems to indicate that it has an impact on elections to some extent, so maybe me doing work to debunk it is worthwhile, too
- I have untreated mental illness that causes me to spend time on it, out of all possible proportion to how much I should spend
Pick 2
IDK, maybe pick 3
someone is paying for organized propaganda operations on Lemmy which honestly is a little surprising to me but seems to indicate that it has an impact on elections to some extent, so maybe me doing work to debunk it is worthwhile, too
is there any proof of this at all?
I hope it's not the second because thinking that people opposing Genocide is actually a paid propaganda campaign is dumber than the people who believe there's a pedo ring in the Pizza hut basement
Because you dodge questions/arguments faster than Ben Stiller dodges balls
Don't make me ask the LLM for a follow-up report on how you're doing at implementing its recommendations on good faith debating
I'll do it
Recasting your opponents’ views as other ones that make less sense and are easier to argue against, consistently, as a way of muddling the discourse, instead of being honest about what you’re saying and what you are disagreeing with and why, and just letting your point of view speak for itself whether or not I personally would agree with it Consistently posting a drumbeat of memes in support of your viewpoint (within that same dishonest framing)
I'm reflecting the bad-faith recasting I see in some other memes here, no more no less. I'm happy peacefully existing without creating any memes at all, but when I see a misrepresentation of my view in a dumb meme by a user that I'll leave nameless (they can't defend themselves here right now anyway), I feel an urgent need to lob that turd back at them. I think .world has successfully sheltered themselves from a world-view that challenges a particular self-image, a world-view I happen to share, and I feel an honest need to make my existence known.
At this point I don't care what the response is, but if my silly memes are enough to warrant suspicion of being a troll then fuck it. I find the very serious democratic pandering around here childish, so i'll continue matching it with my own childish representations.
But the message you’re sending doesn’t match the outcome you say you want. I think that’s why you are getting these maybe unfair accusations.
At this point I simply do not care. If the only thing that comes out of these memes is a string of activity in the modlog I'd consider that to be a point well-made.
I'm reflecting the bad-faith recasting I see in some other memes here, no more no less.
You are welcome to your strategy, but I think “let’s yell at the people who wee in the pool every day, and tell them not to” is a better solution than “well in that case imma start weeing in the pool too.” You’re still gonna be in a pool full of wee. Why is that success?
Meme's are piss. They're irreverent and mirthful and reductive by nature.
When there aren't any rules against pissing in the pool, the only way to get someone to stop pissing on you might just be to piss on them back.
Sure, I could leave the pool, but that pisser will just pick someone else to piss on, until there's noone left except the people who enjoy that guy's piss (or maybe just tolerate it)
hey, some of us like the piss pool
Tired talking points.
"I know trump is bad, but democrats are worse!"
"Republicans at least show who they really are, democrats decieve their constituents!"
"I'm not for Russia, but Ukraine should just ceasefire, so there's no more bloodshed."
"I know genocide would be even worse under Republicans, but Genocide Joe should concede and let someone else run."
"Both sides are the same, so a vote for either side is a vote for the same thing."
They are more than likely a sock puppet of one of the banned spreaders of propaganda.
CLASSIC LINKERBAAN
lol… they got banned.
Did they? I blocked his dumb ass after nonstop political astroturfing posts
Not Linkerbaan, OP. Dude admitted he was here to disrupt the election process.
You always capitalise Russia
But... that's how you're supposed to write it.
So, how would one recognise an actual Russian troll, btw?
Look, you yourself just capitalized the R.
It's not the grammar.
Think a guy who says something like "come on guys, let go find some females"
I don't see how this is similar.
Do you think it's unusual to speak in terms of "Russia vs the West"?
I don't see how
I believe you.
You always capitalise Russia, but then generalise “the west”.
...
You're supposed to capitalize the name of countries, and not geo-poltical regions...
Hell, by your logic since you capitalized trump and republicans it means you support them and not that you're fighting autocorrect to make a very very small point.
So, how would one recognise an actual Russian troll, btw? Like… they probably wouldn’t admit to being one, would they?
One thing people look for is an unfamiliarity with the convoluted rules of English. Like not knowing what gets capitalized...
But by 2024 most people have realized social media comments rarely have that much thought put into them. If say a good way is looking at where they spend their time. We know from a recent study (can't be bothered to Google it right now).
But it's safe to say people with nefarious reasons for posting wouldn't spend their time on one of the smallest social media platforms.
Like, just think about it rationally for a second. Why wouldn't they do it on Facebook, Twitter, Reddit, Instagram, TikTok, or somewhere else their audience would be tens or hundreds of millions? Why spend the same amount of effort where even if it takes off, your audience is like not going to exceed more than a few thousand at most?
I'm just fucking tired of people constantly accusing each other of being professional state actors.
It's something trump would do...
You're supposed to capitalize the name of countries, and not geo-poltical regions
I have no interest in the substance of the argument which has nothing to do with the grammar, but, yes you are. “We need to go west to reach the river” is lower case, “we need to align with the West to reach our goals” is capitalized.
Correct. Trump and Republicans are also proper nouns.
Look up. The point went right over your head.
That’s a HUGE wall of text to illustrate that you don’t understand proper grammar. You absolutely capitalize the West when referring to a nation.
You're supposed to capitalize the name of countries, and not geo-poltical regions...
It's not about grammar rules. It's about the psychology behind the specific choices.
Like using "females" in a social setting. It tells a lot.
Why wouldn't they do it on Facebook, Twitter, Reddit, Instagram, TikTok, or somewhere else their audience would be tens or hundreds of millions?
Because these things aren't mutually exclusive, that's why. They're doing it on allplatforms. You found your way here. Do you think the average or even specifically trained Russian is so much dumber they couldn't find their way here..?
That sounds rather racist, bro.
Do you think the average or even specifically trained Russian is so much dumber they couldn’t find their way here…?
I'm sure they could...
I'm saying it would be a waste of their time.
I hope you don't need another reply to understand, you'll have to ask someone else.
I’m saying it would be a waste of their time.
Why exactly? Catching trolls is much easier on popular sites like the ones you listed. Sure, there are more of them, but also more of them are constantly flagged. Fediverse has no such overarching moderation, as you well know.
You don't see how that's a massive advantage?
I hope you don't need another reply to understand, you'll have to ask someone else.
in this thread where you’re talking about the Russo-Ukrainian war carefully without taking a side on the issue.
I think russia is in the wrong and deserves to lose, but I think Ukraine does not have the numbers to win on their own and I think the US knows this but is only really after hurting russia's economic ability to pursue their further imperial ambitions. Since russia has entered a wartime economy I don't think this is likely anymore and we are creating a situation where russia has no reason not to continue and a larger conflict with NATO is likely.
Does that help clarify?
Literally all you post about is “don’t vote Biden”.
Close: I post a lot of agitation for democrats to demand better from their party, and i've mocked the impulse to signal loyalty despite knowing what the democrats are doing is wrong, but I have never encouraged anyone not to vote. Democrats have no reason to address criticism if they are confident voters will turn out regardless, that's the impetus of my strategic agitation. I could be wrong and it could be misguided but I don't think it is.
You always capitalise[sic] Russia, but then generalise[sic] “the west”.
I don't know how to take this, considering it's a comment about proper capitalization that's filled with typos/misspellings. If i've ever failed to capitalize another country's name it isn't on purpose. Since you're more familiar with my comment history i'll let you point out which ones i've made that mistake in and I'll correct them as needed. I'll even de-capitalize russia if you want, i don't give a fuck.
So, how would one recognise[sic] an actual Russian troll, btw? Like… they probably wouldn’t admit to being one, would they?
I've repeatedly had this conversation with you, I don't feel it necessary to have it again. You can suspect me of being a troll if you want but since it's not possible for me to prove to you otherwise I don't think it's worthy of addressing. Mods can verify my IP address area if they feel its warranted. It's making me uncomfortable that i've attracted this much attention from you though, out of concern of being doxxed I'm thinking I should start using a VPN.
Please stop harassing me.
You stop doing shit posts lying and misrepresenting things, and people stop giving you shit for them. Sound like a deal?
Such thin skin it's pretty cringe-worthy. For how much smack you talk.
Just out of curiosity, what was the misrepresentation this time?
It's a shitpost kiddo. You know exactly what they are. It's the reason you posted them. Who do you think you're fooling? Because if anyone's being fooled it isn't us :-). And if you're going to do it at least have the decency to not feign ignorance and cry when others call you out on it.
It's as high-quality of a meme as it's responding to, chum :)
Back and forth, forever ))<>((
I didn't say it wasn't. Just that you're bad at this.
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You always capitalise[sic] Russia, but then generalise[sic] “the west”.
What kind of US Defaultism is this? Capitalise and generalise are 100% correct in British English.
I honestly did not know there were alternate British spellings of those words. All I know is my spellcheck was flagging them, and i only know the American spelling.
The broader point remains.
Australia and Ireland checking in, the american spelling is the alternative!
Wait, responding to you, calling out the obvious flaws in your argument, the fact that you constantly post this shit…
Is harassing?
Fascist bullies are some of the most fragile crybabies whenever they meet some repercussions for their words and actions.
Dude ended up getting banned for admitting he is here to disrupt the election process.
why would you lie about something so easy to disprove?
What am I lying about exactly? It’s in the mod logs.
Lmao, no, criticism is fine (if there was any in this comment), it's the paranoid obsession with me being a 'russian troll' and tagging me around the fediverse that's harassment. He's had a bunch of comments removed for it already, that's not an unfounded accusation.
Most everyone in this comment section thinks that of you. It’s not a big stretch man. You’ve given little indication that it could be otherwise, so it’s not a huge leap to make that connection.
People have been banned for being propagandists. One even admitted to it. I can’t imagine you’d ever admit that what you’re doing is not on the level, so unfortunately people are left to base their opinions on observations.
And your comment history stands as evidence to many that you’re not here to post in good faith.
People have been banned for being propagandists. One even admitted to it. I can’t imagine you’d ever admit that what you’re doing is not on the level, so unfortunately people are left to base their opinions on observations.
I'll make the debate easy for you: I am doing agitative-propaganda. My goal is to agitate liberals into taking action against the genocide their party is supporting. My memes are intended as a counter-balance to those other liberal-propaganizing memes that seek to rationalize, normalize, and dismiss the political problems electoralism simply cannot address.
Please pass this comment along as evidence for my community ban, on some level it would be a relief to not have to deal with the self-valorizing liberal propaganda that seems to be the norm.
No… you’re just agitating people for the purpose of spreading anti-democracy propaganda. The evidence is in the fact that you have zero negative posts/comments that are critical of the right- along with the lists of things others have pointed out.
And as another has pointed out- you’re not going to admit to the truth of what you’re here for, so the evidence will have to be told through your actions. And they speak loud and clear.
Pretty bold to straight up say you're doing propaganda. And then say that it would be a relief to not have to do so anymore.
You do realize you can just stop, right? Everyone will be the happier for it.
all media is propaganda
Oh I've got you blocked.
Doesn't work like it does on Reddit though, so I still see your shitposts. As long as I encounter your posts, I will keep replying to them.
Too bad.
Like I've said and like everyone keeps saying, you're really bad at this.
We all have to take care of ourselves sometimes.