Ukraine destroyed columns of waiting Russian troops as soon as it was allowed to strike across the border, commander says
Ukraine destroyed columns of waiting Russian troops as soon as it was allowed to strike across the border, commander says
Ukraine is now able to strike military targets in Russia using Western-supplied weapons. One commander said Ukraine had destroyed columns of troops.
- Ukraine destroyed columns of waiting Russian soldiers with HIMARS, a Ukrainian commander said.
- He said Ukraine targeted them as soon as it got permission to use allied weapons across the border.
- Military experts say Ukraine's ability to use Western-supplied weapons in Russia is aiding its fightback.
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Good. Make Russian civilians see the horrors of the war they support personally.
Saw this video on my feed which uhhhhh NSFL (Death) https://x.com/Megatron_ron/status/1805588024803074447
Also lmao at everyone condemning Hamas but Russian civilians being targeted gets them cheering.
Russian civilians weren't targeted, the missile was intercepted by russian air defense on its way to a military target. The shrapnel happened to fall on that beach.
Edit: If you're thinking of holidaying in an active warzone, perhaps reconsider.
That was an ATACM missile with a cluster bomb warhead. Not "shrapnel".
Edit: If you’re thinking of holidaying in an active warzone, perhaps reconsider.
So you're saying israelis holding a rave next to a concentration camp should have reconsidered their location on Oct7?
That was an ATACM missile with a cluster bomb warhead. Not “shrapnel”.
It was an "ATACM missile with a cluster bomb warhead" until russian air defence turned it into shrapnel
So you’re saying israelis holding a rave next to a concentration camp should have reconsidered their location on Oct7?
Yup.
Although not sure why we're talking about Israel now, this conversation was about Russia blaming ukraine for bombing intentionally civilians when they were actually attempting to bomb legitimate military targets, likely in sevastapol bay.
The Oct7 attack isn't even comperable, civilians were actively targeted there, not so here
"Targeted". (Likely just an intercepted missile)
They're on a fucking beach, on illegally occupied land, during an active war. I'm pretty sure they knew the risk.
Play stupid games, grow 🌻
So you're saying Hamas has the full right to target any israeli because they are illegally occupying Palestinian land and putting the Palestinians in a concentration camp?
No, learn to read.
Are you comparing a terrorist organisation to a legitimate government?
If you are, go fuck yourself.
Are you calling Ukraine a terrorist organization? They're an independent country from Russia.
Obvious troll is obvious. Grow up
Eat shit.
Last thing I remember yesterday many condemned Israel for announcing it's land development program that is gossiped as planned on occupied territories. Today there were news of a shitbag minister who voiced a plan to take the West Bank under a military rule (and to convert it into profits?), and I don't see many support to him there as well. Would it be too cynical to ask wtf these settlers would be doing there?
Condemning israel is like condemning Russia when they kill civilians. Rather easy. Of course people were praising israel initially but we're past that.
The fun part is now the Ukrainan resistance is doing what the Palestinian resistance was doing and asking why people react so differently.
Where's the fun part? I oversimplified this comparison because I felt you did so too.
The fun part is watching people do mental gymnastics to condemn Hamas but praise Ukraine. Both have committed war crimes while resisting occupation, but we seemingly only care when one of them does so.
Wait, what side you care about? It seems I've lost you.
Does it matter? A discussion is not about signalling that you support the correct side even though social media seems to think so.
I'm sorry that this is the best job you can find right now. It can't be a very fun job. But you are also kind of bad at it, you should at least try to make the post sound like a real human could possibly think the things that are said.
How close to the port is that beach?
Proximity doesn't matter, the beach is in the flight path so it could be anywhere between the launching point of the missile and the target
How close to the military bases were those Kibbutzes?
Wuh-wuh-wuhddabout... Get a new tactic. That one is completely worn out at this point.
For our other readers, those missiles were intended for the military facilities nearby and were shot down by Russian AA and debris fell on the beach (hence the lack of explosions)
If the comment said "I hope israeli civilians see the horrors or war" I'm sure you would be just as generous with your thought process. Oh wait you'd be calling him straight up Genocidal.
There is no whataboutism cluster munitions are illegal and this is a war crime. This is not debris this is the ATACKMS filled with m74 bomblets.
Just be consistent in your morals. This is like someone defending Hamas gunning down non combatants.
cluster munitions are illegal
Well, depends on the country. For example, if you are in Ukraine or russia (and surprisingly, Finland) they are legal.
Hamas and israel said they killed no innocents so therefore it's legal.
Assad uses nerve gas? That's legal in Syria. Aint a crime if it's legal! case closed everyone!
Weird to segue directly from arguing that cluster munitions are illegal into claiming that the legality of weapons doesn't matter, but okay
Weird to claim that a country claiming their war crimes are legal makes it legal under international law.
It's illegal to kidnap kids but Russia don't care about war crimes and human rights violations
Yes. I never said Russia did. Neither does israel.
The question is whether we hold Ukraine to the same standard as Hamas.
Then the question should be; are we holding Russia, Israel and Ukraine to the same standards at Hamas?
Even that is a weird question because Hamas is not a country. It's a terrorist organisation.
I don't get the point you're trying to make here. I feel like you just want to hate on Ukraine. You are arguing that cluster bombs are illegal, which they are in most part of the world but not in Ukraine, and then crying about Ukraine using it, while blantly ignoring the human rights violations and war crimes committed. Things that are actually illegal internationally.
Check that link you posted. It's only illegal in signatory countries. That's how international law works. You can call it morally wrong, but if you call it illegal that's just false unfortunately.
Fun fact, there are only two major countries that employ cluster munitions the United States and Russia. Everybody else has banned them. Since Ukraine is using almost exclusively Russian and American stocks of munitions for this war...
Also China, Korea (Both), Israel, India, Brasil. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_on_Cluster_Munitions
But apart from that ALL the major countries
What does the proximity of the kibbutzes to Israeli military bases have to do with anything? Did Hamas accidentally murder civilians in their homes while trying to go after legit targets?
"Oops, we missed the military base and accidentally cut this old guys head off with a garden hoe and machine gunned some families hiding in their homes! Honest mistake!"
The guy said "I hope Russian civilians see the horrors of war"
And using cluster munitions is banned. Did Ukraine oopsie a wrong rocket? Honest mistake!
And using cluster munitions is banned.
TFW you don't know how treaties work
So if israel kills Palestinian civilians... first does Hamas get the right to kill israelis indiscriminately?
You don't know how international law works. Cluster munitions are banned. But sure keep on defending civilians being killed. Just a very reasonable person on Lemmy defending the killing of Russian civilians after someone wishes they see the horrors of war.
You're the only one here talking about Israel and Palestine. The rest of us are talking about Russia and Ukraine. Neither of those two (nor the US) signed the convention on cluster munitions.
So if israel kills Palestinian civilians... first does Hamas get the right to kill israelis indiscriminately?
No, why would you think that?
Civilians weren't intentionally targeted by Ukraine, unlike Hamas, who happily murders children.
Less than 3% of the israelis killed by Hamas on October7 were children.
40% of the people killed by this "unintentional cluster bombing" were children
Mhhh
Intentional vs unintentional.
Who was intentional
Hamas
Says the guy who created their account right after Hamas attacked on October 7th. And has only posted anti-West, pro-Hamas, pro-BRICS propaganda daily since.
It's funny because you are still allowed to post these shit takes, but if you switched Hamas and Russia you'd be banned from .ml at light speed.
Did you notice the guy above me wishing bad things to happen to civilians or you just wanna keep ignoring that.
I mean those are some stupid russians to be chilling on the beach at the edge of an active war zone
I don't think the person you were replying to was cheering for killing Russian civilians. I think they were cheering for killing Russian troops and that it would make Russian civilians understand the horrors of war.
That said, given what Russia has done to Ukraine, I think I would root for some destruction inside Russia. Russia has been pretty indescriminate. Maybe if Russia sees what that is like they will want to back off the war.
Even if Ukraine does start bombing inside Russia, it's COMPLETELY different from the indescriminate destruction and killing in Gaza. They are on different scales. Israel is committing an intentional genocide. Ukraine is fighting to survive. Israel is killing everyone, women and children included. Ukraine is, so far, largely confined to killing Russian troops.
Ukraine is fighting to survive.
Yes that's what Hamas is doing. They are in a far more precarious spot than Ukraine too. Israel was committing Genocide in Gaza far before Oct7. Which makes the comparison wrong.
Russia is comparable to israel. Invading and annexing land by killing people. Hamas is the party resisting occupation just like Ukraine.
If we put the double standards away everyone would start condemning Ukraine right now like they were/are condemning Hamas. Using cluster munitions on civilians is not a great look. What's different? How the media sells the story?
Who's using cluster munitions on civilians? The missile was intercepted on the way to it's actual target. They weren't targeting that beach
That might be what happened. But as we see the cluster bombs did not explode during interception. Instead they landed all over a beach of people on annexation vacation. There's a reason why cluster bombs are banned.
But in any case. These are the "horrors of war" which the original commenter was hoping Russian civilians would be seeing no?
There’s a reason why cluster bombs are banned.
By whom?
https://disarmament.unoda.org/convention-on-cluster-munitions/
The Convention on Cluster Munitions (CCM) prohibits under any circumstances the use, development, production, acquisition, stockpiling and transfer of cluster munitions, as well as the assistance or encouragement of anyone to engage in prohibited activities. The text of the Convention is available for download in the six official UN languages: عربي, 中文, English, français, русский, español.
You’re one link click away from understanding why your message is stupid. Question is whether it’s message alone.
They even provided a link to signatories of the convention in your link for you to peruse.
Surprise, Neither the US, Ukraine, nor Russia are signatories.
So not a warcrime for any party in this situation