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Fourth turning theory is fashy crap written by a play write and a business fund manager (people with no credentials for historical analysis), worshipped by people like Steve Banon.
Accordingly it's totally subjective, a guessing game.
Truth is: No one can predict what's going to happen.
Fwiw it’s playwright
It's predicated on baby boomers not having hard times. There's no basis in reality. Not unless one were to believe baby boomers are all predominantly white upper middle class. Not to mention one must believe history was all sunshine and rainbows until their generation (millennial/zoomer/whatever) came into existence.
Do they really think people just walked right out of high school into wealth from the career factory? This is basically the privileged upper class. Which is the top percentage of their generation. Guess what? Everyone else had it hard!
So much of current day pop culture "boomer bad" stuff is based on these stupid notions. I wonder how people are going to rationalize when baby boomers are all dead and the class war still exists. I think some younger people are in for some serious cognitive dissonance ahead.
Apart from people parroting these things. Those who actually have those well off parents are admitting their own privilege. The parrots are too entranced to realize they're worshiping their own oppressors. The upper class. They don't know they are the cannon fodder in the cycle of hard times, revolution, and renewal.
Most people are referring to the fact that boomers were born into the strongest social safety net in American history and then allowed Regan to gut it for short-term gains. The original aphorism may not be true, but I can't think of a generation it applies to more.
So you're just gonna pretend the massively documented body of evidence that as a generation boomers have had access to unprecedented privilege in human history regardless of demographic and have also overwhelmingly implemented or voted in systems that have destroyed that framework doesn't exist.
I mean there is a thing going all the way back to the silent generation who had a taste of the depression and so had some knowledge of truly bad times. Even younger boomers had a decent chance of getting a job that you could raise a family with just a high school degree and older ones could be pretty successful. Having a pension was the usual. Losers who managed fast food could still afford a place of their own and a fixer upper car. I saw these things go away as an Xer but I know its still better than those after me. college loans for me was like a car loan. A very nice car, like luxury care, but still a car. So college was doable even for those whose parents could not help out. It was not long after I graduated that college loans became like mortgages for the millenials. You can have a car loan with no car and get by and you can't be doing a mortgage with no shelter to show for it. All the while a college degree debased to where its basically the high school minimum needed for any shot. Its that much worse for gen Z and I don't even want to imagine what gen alpha will have. Thats just economic. Then you take the giant fall back we had with environmental regulations with reagan. There was a lot of environmental consciousness in the 70's and it essentailly evaporated in the 80's with yuppies and greed is good. Granted this is mostly a republican effect but who were the reagan democrats? I get that many boomers are great and its not that the generations that follow are individually so great but the way its shaken out it just gets to be a more and more raw deal for each successive generation.
Not all boomers are white.
this is true. not sure what it has to do with my comment but true.
Your comment makes sweeping generalizations about boomers as if they all had it easy. I want to remind people that this really only applied to a select group of specially elevated boomers. A white man could have what you say, good fucking luck if you were a Black woman though.
Not all white men. I specifically pointed out its not the case with all individuals.
Only white men, though. They, as a cohort, definitely had it easy like no one else. Particularly straight able-bodied Christians.
not true. as a matter of fact creating a black upper class was a key strategy to break the direction and unity of the civil rights movement.
That could apply to individuals, like you said, but you can't apply it broadly like you can apply privileges to white men.
Furthermore, they're doing the same thing today so that literally hasn't even changed.
But defeating the civil rights movement was more about killing off the leaders.
well yeah and your taking the 60's and its not like it would be better to be black in the 50's. What im trying to say is things basically improved until we started periodically regressing in the 80's and beyond. It was like two steps forward one step back and became one step forward two steps back and you can't broadly apply it to white men either but im not talking about people im talking about the time periods and living in one to the other. If you go back to the OP its about getting criticized by the older generation and responding with their own failings. Which existed. I mean the boomer claim to fame is basically the hippie erra. yuppie and beyond was not great but the hippie era was a direct result of the draft. There were some earnest individuals trying to stop pollution and improve human rights but there was also some who just did not want to get killed and enjoyed the drugs.
That's hilarious, do you also say that with your "death to America" hexbear buddies?
Even younger boomers had a decent chance of getting a job that you could raise a family with just a high school degree and older ones could be pretty successful.
Read this very carefully. Do you think this applied to Black people in 1960?
yes. do you believe all black people in 1960 were on welfare? Do you believe no black people in 1960 had decent jobs. Discrimination is about relative opportunity of the time and believe it or not they do not have it better now. Heck we are losing much of what came out of the 60's.
I believe that Black boomers didn't have everything handed to them like white boomers, among other oppressed groups.
Times are easy or hard depending on who you are and your place in class society.
I never said boomers had everything handed to them. In a nutshell I said times were overall easier and have been getting worse since.
Lol of course not, so I'll repeat myself and say it's funny how this never comes up in the "death to America" and "such and such is the West's fault" of the other hexbear posts you comment in. I know you're being a contrarian teenager right, but that's the kind of stuff that makes hexbear posters look dumb.
“death to America”
So mad about it that you had to mention it twice unprompted.
"Fellas, does mention common refrains of someone you're talking with make you MAD??"
I have no idea what you're even trying to say.
This thread is a circle jerk about how boomers had it easy. I just wanted to remind people that it was only the white ones that had it easy, and in particular, the able-bodied straight Christian men.
There's plenty of poor boomers. They're mostly dead on account of being poor, we're just left with the rich ones.
It's true. But I think the point is that more opportunities were available to that generation. For example, both my boomer parents grew up in poverty. Dad was an orphan. They moved to the city with no money and made careers for themselves. Housing was cheap. That's not possible today without family wealth (in Australia at least). I'm a software engineer with an electrical engineering degree and I'll never own a house or retire. They bought houses on public service wages without degrees.
BuT LiFe WaS WoRsE BeCaUsE MuH AiDs AnD MuH CoLd WaR
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Literally an attempted genocide on the gay population. I think it's fair to say life was pretty tough for them.
Repeat after me:
No climate crisis + cheaper housing + no Tiktok = better times No climate crisis + cheaper housing + no Tiktok = better times No climate crisis + cheaper housing + no Tiktok = better times No climate crisis + cheaper housing + no Tiktok = better times No climate crisis + cheaper housing + no Tiktok = better times No climate crisis + cheaper housing + no Tiktok = better times No climate crisis + cheaper housing + no Tiktok = better times
Also where I live there wasn't any "attempted genocide on gays".
no Tiktok = better times
This is boomer brainrot for it to make a three-item list of modern problems. People said the same shit about TV and even about books, not that I'd give tiktok much credit as an advanced medium in the same way those were. But it's just philistine to consider it a great societal evil on par with climate change and the housing market.
Also where I live there wasn’t any “attempted genocide on gays”.
You all may perpetrate one yet considering the direction your country is going in.
But it’s just philistine to consider it a great societal evil on par with climate change and the housing market.
I could have go on much longer, and of course Tiktok is not even close in the same league as climate change or the housing market, but still, those times were better than now.
You all may perpetrate one yet considering the direction your country is going in.
I hate Meloni and her party and if the government was couped tomorrow i couldn't be happier, but she's just all talk and no action and most Italians aren't as politically charged as Americans are. We just are apathethic, sadly.
Well AIDS was scary as fuck but Australia didn't have to worry too much about the cold war. Life in the 80s was generally pretty cruisy.
This. Were it for me, 70s, 80s and 90s on a loop forever and sucks for those countries/people who lose from it, but they have to sort it out themselves.
This. Were it for me, 70s, 80s and 90s on a loop forever and sucks for those countries/people who lose from it, but they have to sort it out themselves.
Most problems are perpetuated by currently living humans. Those guys suck !
They really do. :|
Appropriately for the meme - also both boomers.
Thanks for this insight, seriously. Because of course, it sounds really scary, and we all know which side of the fence relies most heavily on fear based rhetoric.
The "common sense" logic feels sound, but you're right that it's deceptive, and trying to use some "system" to both read the future AND use it to scare everyone into thinking it's doomsday every week? When you think about it, gee, that HAD to be a fashy business fund manager idea lmao.