ICE adopts new tactic: Deport before court, removing people facing criminal charges
ICE adopts new tactic: Deport before court, removing people facing criminal charges
At what point does the calculus work out that violently resisting "arrest" becomes the best option for one's own health and safety?
To clearly respect instance rules: I am not advocating for any such behavior but merely raising the concern that a lack of justice may lead people to fight in self defense. If you knew for a fact you'd never see your family again, I think many would fight even in the face of certain death. This is incredibly dangerous for everyone involved. People have and will continue to die.
you either die quickly from a gunshot, and take some nazi's out with you; or you get shipped to el salvador and die a slow death of disease and malnutrition, forgotten forever.
This is precisely the problem. Justice is the compromise that preserves peace and prevents violence. If you don't believe your innocent ass will get a fair trial, and you don't believe you'll be treated to dignity, what incentive do you have not to shoot them?
At least then you die quickly and for what mattered most to you in this world. An honorable death.
The alternative to justice is unacceptable and extremely dangerous.
There's a theory called the "Monopoly on violence" which says that people will allow the government to commit violent acts against them as long as they believe that the government is legitimate and that there is no other group that can do this.
Do we not have a 2nd amendment against tyrannical govt? No? I feel like the sycophants will give up their guns at this point. Thank you sir may I have another.
I strongly urge anyone who can to learn how to safely own and operate a firearm for their own personal protection.
I heard Donnie was going to OK an add-on for full-auto on all guns, very useful in this situation.
Yes and no.
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
If you are overthrowing the government then the regulated part makes no sense. The second amendment is for defending the country, not overthrowing a tyrant that was legally elected.
That's the canon side. The dogma side is very different, but irrelevant. All the liberty minded ammosexuals support the tyrant so they won't do a thing against them. Spent my whole life hearing how they were going to protect us from the camps. Now they are volunteering to build the camps. They said martial law was going to take their rights away. Now they are totally fine with no due process or habeas corpus.
If you are overthrowing the government then the regulated part makes no sense.
Well you do need organisation for a revolution. Otherwise it's just a riot.
Riots are how things normally start. Rule of law becomes a memory and crowd dynamics take over. Then people try to put order to chaos for fun and profit.
Nah, riots are a tool, a distraction at most. Even partially successful revolutions were always organised.
I'm not "at risk" yet, and I'm at the point where I'll stop and record police actions if I have the ability. It can't be allowed to go any farther
"may lead people to fight in self defense." - That's what they're (the administration and police forces) hoping for: "proof" that substantiates the action they are undertaking, which they can then turn around and escalate even more.
I'd like to see the government that failed in Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq try to take out a real insurgency on the home front. Every garbage bag an IED, every car a bomb.
If you treat people like desperate animals, they will behave like desperate animals.
We are but a gnat's ass away from extermination of anyone deemed undesirable. Absolutely disgusting.
I know this will not come as any form of consolation, but those (who conceive of themselves as the elites) who try to do away with so-called "undersirables", the line doesn't stop, they are always trying to cull. At some point, the sycophants get on the chopping block too. The question becomes where is the line drawn that everyone (in and out of the direct line of fire) collectively rises up and pushes back to drive the oppressors into oblivion. Right now it seems the majority of the citizenry are in shock as to the continual actions and revelations coming about, and hence very cautious about stepping forward hard. The tipping point could be something seemingly innocuous, or the culmination of enough is enough. Time and disaster will only tell.
A thought to ponder: which comes first - civil war or bilateral war with China? Seems like the administration is angling to as early as 2027 for outright warfare, so civil war would be a liability. All these people being deported and/or sent to prisons, might be a prelude to that escalation. Imagine the only salvation you have to leave prison or to make steps towards some form of citizenship is by participating in military service for that very conflict.
I mean, it's win-win for the assholes.
People don't fight back: they get deported. Win for nazis
People fight back: Nazis use it as justification for further escalation
At least defending yourself / the victims has a chance of saving them. Doing nothing won't
"The takeover will be bloodless if the left allows it to be." I fear that escalation is going to be the only course of action to stop their criminal activity. You certainly can't rely on the justice system any more.
I wholeheartedly agree about fighting back. As someone who was bullied when younger, I fought back and hard. It didn't stop the bullying, but it certainly got some of the bullies to think twice, so that I wasn't fighting all the bullies at once.
And therein lies another problem; you fight one authoritarian government and maybe succeed in removing it, but then you're fighting other foreign ones waiting on the sidelines, just ready to swoop in. It's not looking good for any of the good guys at this point...
The New Hampshire State Constitution explicitly tries to warn against overpunishment like this. It's a lot of words but read it man this is good and I wish like hell it applied at the Federal level
[Art.] 18. [Penalties to be Proportioned to Offenses; True Design of Punishment.] All penalties ought to be proportioned to the nature of the offense. No wise Legislature will affix the same punishment to the crimes of theft, forgery, and the like, which they do to those of murder and treason. Where the same undistinguishing severity is exerted against all offenses, the people are led to forget the real distinction in the crimes themselves, and to commit the most flagrant with as little compunction as they do the lightest offenses. For the same reason a multitude of sanguinary laws is both impolitic and unjust. The true design of all punishments being to reform, not to exterminate mankind.
I mean the problem is the people getting deported don't have access to guns. They most likely can't get them legally since they're not citizens and even if they could get them they probably don't have the money to afford one.
Not necessarily. We’ve been “deporting” citizens as well.
But yes of course they prefer to target the vulnerable first. That’s how bullies work.