there were lyrics this whole time?!
there were lyrics this whole time?!
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Maybe I’m wrong, but I’ve always looked at punk (the music, not the ideology) as a thing that was, not is. Similar to classic rock. As in… there are no new classic rock bands. No one says, “hey. I’m forming a classic rock back and we’re writing all new material!”
Punk was The Ramones, The Dammed, The Sex Pistols. Black Flag, The Clash, Dead Kennedys, etc.
Just like how classic rock was Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, BOC, Rolling Stones, The Beatles, etc.
Again, many will probably disagree, but this is simply an opinion on the matter.
There’s very much still new punk, but it’s old enough that what you described probably should be thought of as classic punk. It’s evolved, grown, changed, and split. You’ve got plenty of bands still screaming similar to the old school stuff, but you’ve also got stuff like against me, rage against the machine (yeah it’s rap punk), and my mind is blanking on other modern well known punk bands, but then you’ve got punk descended genres that are still punk like folk punk and riot grrl as well as genres like goth and emo
I think it’s better compared to metal. It’s an offshoot of rock that branched, evolved, and stuck around with a certain type of people
Punk IS not was, it always has been and always will be.
So classic rock IS, as well?
Only if you want to start circumcising mosquitos here.
Classical as a word typically refers to the period of time the Greeks were at their height.
Classical Rock uses the spirit of the word Classical to describe this era of rock and roll as the basis for modern Rock and Roll.
Now if you want to use the term classical rock to describe an era, then no that era is gone. If you want to decide that only the period of the 70s and early 80s that punk was as you describe it then SURE punk is dead.
But punk started before the 70s and will continue long after you and I are dead.
By the arbitrary definition that punk was a genre of rock music that existed only during a certain time period… sure it was and no longer is.
I simply champion the idea that labeling punk as a genre is ironic in and of itself, to say it fits in a narrow definition is also kinda ironic.
Yeah, and new bands get added every year as time marches on. Your initial comment is insane though. Country, metal, electronica, they all continue on, but punk has died...? That's not how music works at all. Punk is still happening every day. From the classics you mentioned, to some shitty band who only formed last week and are still thrashing out their first song in their parents garage, it's all out there. Plenty of ways to find it too. Speciality punk record labels and record stores, punk venues, plenty of playlists to be found.
You’re not getting my point. Classic rock wasn’t called classic rock when it was new. No one in the 70’s were calling Pink Floyd a classic rock band. They were just a rock band.
Punk (music) was a thing that happened, not a thing that IS happening.
Rock music sis still created though... You're basically saying "70s rock could only happen in the 70s so therefore punk doesn't exist anymore". The "70s rock" part of that sentence isn't even true, let alone the jump from it to the back half.
Exactly! And they're constantly adding new songs to the canon! Hell, they've added some nirvana and foo fighters tracks!
No, what I’m saying is that in the 70’s, what we know now as “classic rock” was simply called “rock” music. I thought I explained this pretty well already.
Similarly, in the 70’s punk was called punk. What we have now that is calling itself punk- in my opinion, can’t be punk. Because punk WAS. Like how classic rock WAS.
There are no NEW classic rock bands. Ergo, there are no new punk bands.
Then be clearer. You asked if classic rock is a thing. And I answered that, it still is a thing with new songs added every year. And I say again, your initial comment about punk music is insane. I made it pretty fucking clear about how it is still a genre that is still happening to this day. You ignoring that doesn't discount what I wrote.
And I said in my original comment that this is my opinion. I’m not going to apologize because it bothers you. If you don’t like it or agree, you’re free to move along. No one is forcing you to debate this.
Nah, you literally posted on a forum. The whole point is to drive conversation. If you don't like being called out for saying idiotic things, then don't post. Don't try and turn this around and say that this is some sort of failing on my behalf. And yeah you have an opinion, but it's a prejudiced opinion. Ie. one without just grounds or sufficient knowledge. That means it's not a well founded one. And opinions like that have been called out since language was formed, bit late to start crying about it happening now.
It’s a failing on your behalf for resorting to petty insults because you don’t like someone’s opinion. And for the record- it’s people like you that are driving people back to Reddit. Because when people see that they can’t post their opinions without being insulted by people who can’t accept that others think differently- they go back to places like Reddit- where even though there are even more people like you there-
At least there’s more content to enjoy.
Going to block you now as you clearly have nothing of value to offer any future discussions I might find myself in.
Oh please. There's no flocking back to Reddit. You got your feelings hurt and you think that's part of some grand plan? Spare me. And like I said, you posted an opinion based in infactual information, that will get called out on any internet forum you go to, and will get called out in most real life scenarios too. Just because you have an opinion doesn't mean that whatever you say on that topic is suddenly protected from any criticism. Racism is an opinion. Do we suddenly not stand against that now? You are pathetic...
Wouldn't that be classic punk then?
Yes, but they won't release new music, because then it wouldn't be classic anymore.
Same with punk. Now you get it.
Rock
punk
classic rock
classic punk
I mean, you can have whatever opinion you want but this one in particular isn't very helpful. Lots of new bands call themselves or are called punk.
https://bandcamp.com/discover/punk
Are you going to tell them they're doing it wrong?
You could make an argument that there is "classic punk" like "classic rock", and maybe people would know what you meant, but that's not really the language as it is spoken today.
Did you actually listen to any of the bands from the bandcamp link? A lot of them could not be called punk by any stretch of the imagination, but more genre tags mean a higher chance for listens.
Some extra confusion comes from the fact that "punk" doubles as the name of a movement (or perhaps an attitude) and any style of vaguely ramones-derived music. Most of the time, it's used as no more than a nice buzzword that simply means "attitude" in a very vague sense. To exemplify, "Noone is as punk as Celine Dion!" is a sentence that both makes perfect sense (you understand what is meant) and is complete nonsense at the same time. The words "dubstep" or "zydeco" cannot be used in the same way.
Are you going to tell them they're doing it wrong?
To be clear, is your argument that the term "punk" is completely devoid of meaning and if someone calls their music punk, it must be? That's really not helpful at all.
My argument is there are contemporary bands that call themselves punk and are called punk by others. There are subgenres like pop punk to further clarify. One could be a cliché pedant and say like "pop punk isn't punk" but that was an eyeroller when 30 years ago when the argument was new.
You said "a lot of them" on the search link can't be called punk. But then some of them presumably can be. So then new punk bands exist.
Calling one’s self a punk band doesn’t make it a punk band. And again, find me a band on bandcamp that describes themselves as a classic rock back writing new material.
Why do you accept "classic rock" exists alongside "rock" but not "classic punk" alongside "punk"?
Also here's crobot. They're tagged as classic rock: https://crobot.bandcamp.com/album/feel-this .They do a great live show
I sense "no true Scotsman" coming, though.
Because no one calls it “classic punk.” Greed Day and Black Flag are NOT the same type of music.
Green Day is typically called pop punk. Subgenres and other categorization tools exist for good reason.
If you want to start calling things "classic punk" go ahead. People will probably know what you mean. But to be like "sorry you can't be punk in 2023" is shitty gatekeeping.
Edit: not going to acknowledge crobot?
No.
Why not?
Hmmm classic punk huh. I feel like the genre and sound has changed so much, but I'm still amazed that the identity has kept in tact. Truly a masterpiece of sounds and art 😄
KEEP OPINIONS OUT OF EXPLICITLY OPINION-FOCUSED SOCIAL MEDIA SITES
My mistake. Should have realized who posts here and known better. This isn’t a place to share opinions.
My dude are you mad because you shared your opinion and people were like "nah man that doesn't make sense"? So like you can share your opinion but don't want anyone to respond with theirs?
Sounds like you're not looking for a forum. You're looking for a diary.
lol? Am I mad? Look at all the butthurt kids whining about how my opinion is wrong to them. They’re asking questions, I’m answering them. And you’re accusing me of being mad for doing so?
Fucking hilarious! Grow up.
You seem pretty mad. In the other branch of this post you were like "No one calls themselves classic rock anymore". I linked you one I knew off the top of my head and you just ignored it. I asked if you were going to acknowledge it and you just said "No"
Maybe you're not mad (you seem mad) but you're not really engaging in good faith.
Poser alert!
I’m 51 years old, you clown. I remember these bands when most of them were still touring- and was at a Pink Floyd show as a child back in 81’. I have MANY first edition vinyls from a lot of them as well.
The fact that you came out missing so hard on such a big swing- shows how much you’ve yet to learn about talking to people you know nothing about.
Exactly what a poser would say 😎
Yeah, I looked at your comment history. You’ve one to talk kid.
Aw shucks, you noticed me :3
You need to look in the right places. First off check out the band soft play from the UK. They're definitely a good larger example of modern punk. Apart from that, any city with a proper local music scene is going to have a few punk bands. Austin and Chicago come to mind.
You’re missing my point entirely.
No one says, “hey. I’m forming a classic rock back and we’re writing all new material!”
Sure, but I bet a lot of young talent are saying "hey we're forming a rock band and that girl/guy in the corner over there writes kickass lyrics."
After that they either fail and few ever hear them play, or they succeed and a new band is born. Maybe they even eventually end up becoming legends of their own. It doesn't happen often, but it does happen.
Now rock and punk isn't my jam so much, because I like mellow electronic stuff, but I know of one such band that I found when COVID hit and they're just now beginning to really break through. It's fucking beautiful when a band finds that essence that truly defines them.
I'm not really sure what part of your comment was an opinion, but "people don't start punk bands anymore" is simply not true. There's plenty of new punk acts out there, the genre didn't just come to an abrupt halt in 1990. Just off the top of my head is IDLES and The Chats, but you can find tons of recent bands if you look.
You're getting downvoted to hell here, but you're completely right. Punk was a cultural moment that was alive and relevant from the late 70s to early 80s, a kind of nihilistic tabula rasa that was codified into a "genre" after the fact. All of the original punk bands sounded different from each other, then from the early 80s onwards all new punk bands sounded the same. Bands like Green Day and Rancid were probably the last nail in the coffin.
The spirit of what punk was lives on here and there in other expressions, but is rarely labeled as "punk". If a band calls themselves punk rock today, they're either doing some kind of museological work or they're working for someone trying to sell you leather jackets. (HC should probably be considered as a separate movement altogether.)
Yeah, nah. There was a doco series like 4yrs ago. Ended with Henry Rollins going "everyone sys punk's dead. It's not. It's still out there. It's playing for a warm beer for each band member at some club. It's playing some kids basement show" and as much as I don't always agree with the guy, he's not wrong... Like, I could rattle off 5 new punk bands to me this year. Could do more if I sat down and went through what I listened to, but those 5 stood out over an onslaught of electronica, metal, indie, etc. If you think the youth of today isn't just as disaffected as the youth of the 70s, I have a bridge to sell you...
If you think the youth of today isn't just as disaffected as the youth of the 70s, I have a bridge to sell you...
No one is saying that, they're probably a lot more disaffected as a whole. That's not to say they as a group are turning to a 45+ year old subculture to alleviate their disaffection. I could rattle off a few new dixieland acts as well, that doesn't mean dixieland is currently a living, vibrant art form. There's always going to be reenactors and there's nothing wrong with that per se.
Punk has never been more alive than it is now. Political discord is where it thrives. And if you don't think the current political climate is discordant... Well... Like, fuck. Yeah, what many would consider modern punk is very far removed from what was made in the 70s. But there's still kids making that punk and its still being made in general. Just look on Bandcamp, there's enough new punk every day on there to drown any mortal. But no, it's easier to be an idiot...
Nobody's arguing there isn't music that calls itself punk being made today. This isn't going anywhere...have a nice evening.
You literally are... Thanks for admitting punks not dead and it's still being created every day and is flipping it's middle finger at you though. Cos. Fuck. You. And report me, what ever. I found punk decades ago, and people like you just want to split and divide us, never understand us... Mainly cos you're weak...
You literally know nothing about me and are insulting a strawman of your own making. I don't care and you shouldn't either. Sincerely, have a nice evening.
I know all I need to know about you. That you are an idiot. And if you didn't care, why do you keep replying? I care cos you are objectively wrong. But I dunno why you are so set on being so wrong...
I appreciate the reply. And might I ask if you also find it ironic that in disagreeing with the “punk” label, I’m being hive-mind downvoted by those defending the ideology and nomenclature of a movement that would stand against such behavior?
It’s almost as if these kids don’t get it. Which kind of makes my point for me.
You're trying to gatekeep people out of punk. Lots of people in punk scenes of any time period would give you shit for that.
And sometimes if most people are disagreeing with you, it might be because you're wrong and not a "hive mind"
Nah, this isn't irony. Punk has always stood against misinformation. You would've been downvoted even harder back in the day.