Gov. Gretchen Whitmer to ask lawmakers to make community college free for all high school graduates
Gov. Gretchen Whitmer to ask lawmakers to make community college free for all high school graduates
Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer is planning to urge lawmakers to pass legislation that would provide free community college tuition for all high school graduates.
Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer plans to urge state lawmakers to pass legislation that would provide free community college tuition for all high school graduates during her sixth State of the State speech on Wednesday.
Whitmer also prioritized community college access in her annual address last year. State lawmakers responded by temporarily lowering the minimum age for free tuition from 25 to 21 years old. The Democratic governor now wants to expand the program by removing all age requirements for free community college, according to details of her plan provided to The Associated Press by Whitmer’s office.
Whitmer’s administration created the Michigan Reconnect program in 2021, aiming to increase the percentage of the state’s workforce with a postsecondary degree or training from 50.5% to 60% by 2030. It made Michigan residents 25 years and older eligible for free community college tuition.
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why limit it to only high school graduates?
You generally have to graduate high school or complete the GED to be eligible for enrollment in higher education. This has nothing to do with ability, it's just the minimum for entry
nope
Would you like to elaborate, or provide any information of value instead of just saying "nope"?
nah
"Admission is open to all high school graduates, GED recipients, college transfer students and persons 18 years of age or older."
Note it says "and persons 18 years or older" and not "or." This means you have to be both 18 or older and a high school graduate or a GED recipient and 18 years or older.
My initial point stands and you're still lazy and incorrect.
If you've seen their other comments, reading is not their strong suit even though they claim to be smarter than everyone and dropped out of high school.
i see that you're not only stupid, but a weak ass troll...
a single example, wow... you know that doesn't prove anything, but right?
Provide relevant evidence to the contrary. Go ahead, I'll wait.
I would assume those who could actually reasonably pass.
Saying that, over here you automatically get uni entrance when you hit 20 so those who grew after high-school aren't disadvantaged. Have somethings similar would be good.
being a high school graduate says zero about intelligence, and just shows you can blindly follow rules
If you think college doesn't also require you to follow blind rules, I've got bad news for you. A good chunk of life is the requirement to follow stupid rules. In that way school is a pretty good preparation for life after school.
if you think college is like high school, then you didn't go to college...
you see no difference between picking your own classes and being programmed to work in a factory?if you think college is like high school, then you didn’t go to college…
Thats a strawman. I never said college is like high school, I said going to college does not mean you avoid having to follow rules, even silly or stupid ones.
you see no difference between picking your own classes and being programmed to work in a factory?
You may not be aware, but in college while you do get to pick a portion of your own classes, for your chosen program of study there are certain required classes that are required or even prerequisite classes you have to take to take the class you want to pick. This is a good example of rules you have to follow.
woe, what a bunch of pointless words
And? Dealing with arbitrary rules and systems is a major life skill.
i hope you sleep well at night
They didn't say "comply with", they said "deal with".
Very different things.
How do you sleep? Alone? Back of a van? On concrete? Or some combination of those?
you are a terrible, horrible, malignant, person....
i hope you sleep like a corpseI'm just asking because, based on your comments, that's the energy you emanate. Like you did terrible at school, didn't try and somehow think you're owed. Then you're in here with your narcissistic comments, saying, "I was the smartest person in my computer science classes."
you're an absolute garbage person.
p.s. being intelligent doesn't make you a narcissist
It says you're smart enough and driven enough to do literally the bare minimum for your own education, and sure, you follow the rules enough to pass.
But spoilers, that's what the community colleges want too. Smart enough, driven enough, following instructions enough to pass.
And spoilers again, that's what employers want too.
spoilers people are very different at 18 from 15 and spoilers they shouldn't be denied opportunities because they failed to conform to a shitty high school system that spoilers is completely, 100% different than college or spoilers you write like a total twat
The tiny subset of people who dropped from high school, never got their GED, and want to take community college seriously could just... get their GED first? Compared to the time and cost of completing a 2 year degree, obtaining a GED is very small barrier to entry.
You're not articulating very well what your issue is.
Would you be surprised to hear this guy is a high school dropout who wildly overestimates their own intelligence?
The narcissism with this one is strong. Gives off forever alone vibes because no one likes a narcissist. This one is worth a hard block.
why does it hurt your feelings so much if someone acknowledges their own intelligence?
they put our grades on the board, i was consistently in the lead, plus gpa, etc... it's not narcissism to be aware of your own talents.
but to start stalking my comments and insulting me repeatedly, trying to dig at my personal life... these are the hallmarks of a deeply insecure and toxic person.
ill be in touch soon...good point ill be blocking you
you know i've "wildly underestimated" my own intelligence, yet you know not a single thing about me?
my deductive reasoning tells me that you're a shitty person and a troll :*
Whitmer didn't say GED holders, she said "high school graduates"
does that clarify my issue for you?
GEDs are high school equivalency credentials. GED test scores are treated the same as high school credits by practically all institutions.
I'm not sure why this bill would exclude GED holders since there's no practical reason to, so I'd assume they are included until we know for sure.
i would assume not, because it's michigan
My guess is it has to do with effective use of resources. The tuition is free to the student but not the taxpayer. Teachers and administrators don’t work for free. If you can’t get through state funded education up to high school then the chances probably aren’t great for college. Those seeking a second chance could always complete a ged and get the benefit, hopefully.
If you can’t get through state funded education up to high school then the chances probably aren’t great for college
not true at all, the types of people that don't do well in high school are usually the smartest ones
not true at all, the types of people that don’t do well in high school are usually the smartest ones
There's a difference in "not doing well" and "not graduating". Also there are lots of different ways you could define the "smartest ones", but ability to earn an income is a at least one indicator of success. Using that metric the data doesn't support your assertion:
you do realize your graph just supports my point, right?
a high school dropout will earn a lot more money if they just get an associates degree.
otherwise, im not a capitalist and think "ability to earn money" is the worst possible metric for judging someone....you do realize your graph just supports my point, right? a high school dropout will earn a lot more money if they just get an associates degree.
You think a community college will accept you in their programs without the high school level education?
otherwise, im not a capitalist and think “ability to earn money” is the worst possible metric for judging someone…
Feel free to present your own data to back up your point. So far you've provided none.
Yea, I am very interested in how you get into a college without a diploma, GED, or some other equivalent.
yes, they already did.
to your second point: fuck no
yes, they already did. to your second point: fuck no
I'm beginning to get a picture of the problems you may have had to arrive where you are.
I hope your day get better.
your data is "people with more degrees earn more money" and your conclusion is "people with more money are better people"
...
there's absolutely no point in trying to discuss this with someone like YOUi'll bring sources and have reasonable discourse with reasonable people...
and you are not one of them.your data is “people with more degrees earn more money”
No, I said one possible measure, and asked you to provide a measure you prefer. You provided no measure of your own.
and your conclusion is “people with more money are better people”
And I said nothing of the sort. Again, you're building a strawman.
i’ll bring sources and have reasonable discourse with reasonable people…
Yeah, I'm doubting that.
and you are not one of them.
I'm not sure are the best person to judge that. Most of the things you say that make paint me as unreasonable are things you said, not my own words. You're clearly having difficulty with this conversation, and my day is not made better by yours getting worse. Whatever it is in life that is denying you peace, I hope you overcome it.
I see nothing productive for either of us continuing this. I won't be replying to you anymore.
i like how when i tell you im not going to talk to you, you try to tell me you won't reply to me...
lol, no... you lost me, i didn't lose you
Stop lying and go touch grass
lol
oh no! youuuu touch grass!
oooooh im soooo affected by the phrase "touch grass" oooooohhjjjjhhhhhh
writing with agony!!!
your words are so potent!!!!!You are the best kind of lolcow.
🤦🏽♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏿♂️🤦🤦🏼♂️🤦🏻♂️
You didn't graduate did you? 😁
No, they didn't (said in another comment), but they somehow went to college without a diploma or equivalent (not sure how). They are also a self described genius and smartest person ever.
I can see where you are coming from and do not disagree. However these decisions have to be made in aggregate and proportionally, the “geniuses” that failed or dropped out of highchool, are most likely a small minority compared to the overall population.
i dropped out of high school and was the smartest student in my community college in computer science...
it's going to vary a lot, but in general high school is not about education... it's route memorization, no critical thinking... no questioning the teacher (or your disruptive)
... even the schedule has been proven to be very unhealthy for teenagers... can't wear the clothes that you like...
hell, now a days students have school shooter drills... you think maybe some curriculum kids might just not fucking go?!?!in college you're treated like an adult, encouraged to question things, you choose your own curriculum...
also, in california community college is free for ALL adult residents, and it's been a pretty good thing.the point is, everyone should have a chance if they want one. especially a dropout who needs it the most
but shit like this is why talented youths are moving away from michigan as soon as possible (i did)
was the smartest student in my community college in computer science...
That poor teacher hahaha.
i'm sorry you're so stupid you have to try to attack my intelligence...
but i assure you, it doesn't hurt, coming from you.👍
Oh, don't you wish.
smarter than you.
p.s. touch grass and quit lying😆 Oh, don't you wish.
There is no empirical data to support that at all. If you have some we'd love to see it.
While it is not unheard of for someone to do poorly in school and still be smart, education is a clear predictive variable for future success. Period.
Also too, studies have shown that a direct outcome of improving starting wages and reducing unemployment is a reduction in violent crime. Also better median income in the state also results in better taxes for the state.
This is by no means a giveaway. This is an investment in the state that pays many dividends. By the way Tennessee did this several years ago. It's a net benefit for society.