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It's crazy how suddenly you guys see Hamas as the good guys all of a sudden. I can tell you about all their atrocities and rapes, but I'll just get hit back with whataboutisms. Even if you point out that there are no good guys in charge in this conflict, people downvote cause they see Hamas as heroes, which is insane.
Can you seriously not understand that people have basic fucking empathy and don't want children to starve? Families to be seperated by bombs?
Yeah, Hamas is awful. The Palestinian people would likely kill me for expressing my gender in a way that is barely safe in the US. I don't fucking care, no culture deserves genocide. That should not be considered a controversial statement.
Hamas doesn't give a single shit about starving children. Their leadership are old rich men living in comfort abroad.
Nobody is arguing against stopping this madness, but you're white washing history by making Hamas out to be the victim here. Fuck Hamas, they don't care about Palestinians. Neither do Arabs or Muslims. Nobody despises Palestinians more than other Arabs. You're being used to Stoke outrage. You're pushing their propaganda that Hamas was a peaceful organization just minding it's business
Did I ever say that Hamas was good or ethical? Did I even say that I liked the Palestinian people? You are making the argument that an entire ethnic group should be murdered, abused, humiliated, and then dumped into mass graves because of the actions of a few assholes. That is what you are supporting. Look in the fucking mirror and realize that there is never, ever, under any circumstances, any excuse that you can use to justify what Israel is doing right now. The victims are the Palestinian people who are being fucking massacred.
I said Hamas bad, and you jumped in with whataboutisms and defense. Your actions told me what you were.
Their leadership are old rich men living in comfort abroad.
Uh... No. Their leadership has two sides: Leaders in Gaza who actually manage the organization and command the fighting, and leaders abroad who get funding and negotiate with Israel and other countries. What do you expect? For their Gaza leadership to just ride an airplane from Gaza airport and attend diplomatic meetings? Because Israel blew that up 22 years ago. Point is: To function as a resistance organization Hamas needs some of its leadership to live abroad out of Israel's reach.
Nobody despises Palestinians more than other Arabs.
I hear this a lot but nobody really justifies it. As an Egyptian at least according to my experiences it's very incorrect.
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When one side has committed such vast amounts of resources towards villainy, comparatively, it tends to make the other guys look better.
Have you even heard of Yasser Arafat or the history of the region? It's like you kids just tuned in to the latest episode and made your decisions about who the bad and good are. All, EVERY SINGLE DOLLAR of Hamas resources go to rockets to shoot at schools and towards their own goals of ethnic cleansing. But you weren't being told to be outraged for the last 6 decades, so you didn't give a fuck till Instagram told you to.
Even if I say there are no good guys in charge in this conflict, I get dowvoted. Because you can't accept that Hamas is bad, you just can't.
I don't use Instagram. I don't use tiktok. Lemmy and mastodon are all I really use and I'm only on mastodon for the funny stuff. I know very little of the history of the area, and I'm not a history buff. Don't care to learn. What I know is from the news (which can still impart biases of their own of course). Yes hamas is bad. The Israeli government is just as bad. They are using their military advantage to bomb families and starve children. They are committing genocide and we're supposed to accept this because some of the people they kill are also bad? Fuck that. The atrocities committed by each side are on different scales. It doesn't take much character to denounce genocide.
Have you even heard of Yasser Arafat or the history of the region?
We did, but let's hear your explanation.
All, EVERY SINGLE DOLLAR of Hamas resources go to rockets to shoot at schools and towards their own goals of ethnic cleansing
Correction: Every single dollar of Hamas's resources goes to rockets that force Israel to spend ridiculous amounts of money to stop them. They can also be used in saturation to deal more serious damage to Israel's economy, as they are right now by forcing evacuations for some one hundred thousand people. Now it's not pretty, but you won't be taken seriously if you don't acknowledge the reason they're launching these rockets.
do you really think that Hamas would stop launching rockets if Israel stopped intercepting them?
I mean if they stopped intercepting them they'd have more direct military uses so no?
So I gotta ask, I been seeing people throw around the rapes again and it can’t possibly be the debunked nyt stuff right?
You realize this shit has been going on for like 7 decades right? Nyt debunked all of it? No they didn't
Oh you’re talking about all Hamas’ atrocities and rapes over the last 70 years.
Hamas, the organization founded in ‘87.
The Muslim brotherhood suddenly changes its name in 87 and you all think it's a whole new thing lol
The Muslim brotherhood exists presently. Right now.
So do Catholics, yet Protestants still exist!
The Protestant reformation famously was a bunch more than Martin Luther “changes [the churchs] name”.
That’s also a pretty bad comparison because both Catholics and Protestants treat each other as something different.
Even non-Christians see a significant difference.
What are you trying to say? Clearly metaphor and simile aren’t working right now…
It's easy to be the good guy when your opponent is genocide. I don't think many people consider Hamas good people in a vacuum.
So you're saying they're good guys? Say it
I literally said otherwise. At this point you're just looking for an argument or want to believe everyone who disagrees with you is a terrorist supporter.
I mean you're upset about genocide but you never cared that Hamas wrote it into their Charter from the beginning that their goal was the genocide of the Jewish descendants and their extermination from the middle east.
So you only cared about genocide until recently.
Uh... I do not, in fact, like Hamas or the general state of anti-Semitism in the middle east. I just recognize that it'll only go away after, not before, Israeli Apartheid. Also Hamas updated their charter in 2017 to accept a two-state solution so... Yeah.
Iran can't beat us with bombs so they flipped the youth with very simple pr
Pretty much. These are the same college kids who like to tell me what should be offensive to me as a Latino. They don't realize that them jumping in to defend me against invisible discrimination, is their own form of white supremacy and colonialist attitude. "this brown person should be offended at that man wearing a sombrero, and only I a young educated white kid can defend him!"
I've been saying it for years. Zoomers are dumb. We have statistics to prove it. For years, people have been saying "oh gen z is so accepting, so progressive". Yeah but that doesn't matter because they're stupid and stupid = easily manipulated.
Nah. No dumber than previous generations. Fuck, man, do you remember the internet in the 2000s and 2010s? Millennials and Gen X weren't any brighter. And the Boomers had lead poisoning.
Idk. Boomers told millenials not to believe everything we see on TV.
Millenials were quick to get skeptical about everything and applied that logic to the internet as well.
However boomers appear to be believing everything they see on social media / news broadcasts.
And Gen Z appears to believe everything they see on TikTok.
Probably smarter than Boomers, but definitely dumber than gen x and millenials
That's just tankies doing tankie things.
Every fault can be excused, as long as you're an enemy of the US.