American couple doing missionary work killed by gangs in Haiti, wife is daughter of Missouri rep.
American couple doing missionary work killed by gangs in Haiti, wife is daughter of Missouri rep.
David Lloyd and his wife, Natalie, the daughter of Missouri state Rep. Ben Baker, and a third member of their missionary group were fatally shot in the attack.
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I respect the work they were trying to do, but like... everyone was saying to GTFO of Haiti nearly a year ago. It's not worth your life.
Haiti needs food, not Christian missionaries.
These are tourists killed on vacation.
They worked in an orphanage, providing food and shelter to children.
Sounds great on paper but I'd have to know the details to give them any credit. Definitely heard of 'Christian' groups claiming to provide for 3rd world children that were outright fraud and\or actually abusive as fuck.
I've seen some Christian run homeless shelters that are basically just there to proselytize... and I've seen ones that are irreligious in appearance and service and just funded by Christians. I detest the proselytizing just as much as any other devote agnostic, but I'd like more information before judging this orphanage either way.
Christian run homeless shelters routinely make worship and unpaid labor mandatory if you want to stay there. Otherwise they kick you to the streets.
Some even demand that you don't seek employment (so they can exploit your unpaid labor indefinitely).
The place where I live requires unpaid labor too. I don't get why Mom has such a problem with Doritos dust. Let it lie, I say!
This is a funny comment but in no way is a homeless shelter doing that okay
Yeah, Christians are famously compassionate towards the poor...Edit: Oops
I wasn't saying they aren't doing it, I was saying it's not okay. The person I was commenting to was trivializing it by comparing it to doing chores at home.
Some even demand that you don't seek employment (so they can exploit your unpaid labor indefinitely).
I'm gonna' need a citation for that one.
Happily: https://thebaffler.com/latest/between-a-rock-and-a-god-place-whitcomb
Once an individual is accepted, they must comply with all of the “house rules,” or “sacred covenant,” which hammer home the conditional nature of the charity on offer. In exchange for a bunk for thirty days, individuals are required to work without pay for six hours a day, six days a week. Jobs include working for various Mission business ventures and cleaning streets downtown—for which the Mission, but not the resident, is compensated. During this thirty-day period, residents are not permitted to look for outside work, which all but forecloses the hope of acquiring secure housing. For Dolores Nevin—who once went to the Mission with a torn rotator cuff and was turned away when she couldn’t work—disabilities that prevent you from “participating in daily Mission life” effectively bar you from staying there.
Thanks!
Absolutely 100% true for some, probably most, Christian run homeless shelters. Untrue for some (likely a minority) of homeless shelters. I've got no qualms about shitting on shitty Christians being asshats - I just have a problem generalizing this to everything.
I don't agree with their religion and they shouldn't have even been there. But to say that they were tourists is unfair. They were full-time missionaries. They (sadly) dedicated their lives to spreading their religion. They also probably tried to help meet basic needs like food, shelter, etc.
Religion is complicated and this was a preventable tragedy.
You're right. Tourists don't do anywhere near as much damage as missionaries.
I respect the work they were trying to do
Why? They were missionaries. That's not a good thing. Not saying they should be murdered of course but I think respect is really not what they deserve either.
With how much religion kills, no one who spreads their faith has clean hands.
I don't respect the work they were doing. Shoving the Bible down people's throats isn't a nobel cause.
I don’t, keep your religious beliefs to yourself or fifo